9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

rocket rich

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WELL I'M BACK GUYS, NEED SOME ADVICE, HOW OFFTEN DO I CHECK THE OIL IN MY NEW 4 STROKER. AND AS USUAL I DON'T BELIEVE I'M GETTING TOP SPEED. RIGHT AT ABOUT 4800 RPM'S, WAS AROUND 6000 AT ONE TIME??? WHAT COULD CAUSE THIS TO ONLY GET AROUND 4800 RPM'S AT WIDE OPEN.
l AM CATCHING A LOT OF CRAPPIE BUT IT TAKE FOR EVER TO GET ANY WHERE.:grumpy:
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

Rich,
Prop damage can have a terrible effect on top speed on small motors. Increased weight in the boat. Bottom condition. you should check your compression, If it is a manual start there is an unloader to make it start easyer so you won't get the180# you should, but they should be close to each other. I doubt that you ever saw 6000 my motor is limited at 5700, what kind of tach are you using. I don't run that many hours so I change it once a year at the end of the season. The LU is more important the uses tiny needle bearings where others use nice fat roller bearings. Check your oil every time you go out it doesn't take that long and it will destroy your motor in short order if it has leaked out for some reason. don't forget the valve adjustment twice a year, if they are too tight you can burn a valve.
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

this motor is less than a year old?? and I did see 6000 RPM's. Dealers in this area is all but none existing
 

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Rich,

At about p59 of the owner's manual, the oil level check is in the "daily inspection" table. Once you have been running the motor a while and know its oil consumption characteristics, you can probably check it weekly.

Somewhere around p65 of your owner's manual, the "periodic inspection" table shows that it is recommended to change oil at the first 20 hours, and then every 50 hours (or semi-annually) thereafter. I like to see the LU lube and crankcase oil changed shortly after break-in (about 10-20 hours), and then every 50 hours (or at least annually). The initial change will take out any factory machining debris. After that, it's just a matter of getting rid of the old, dirty oil.

One thing that can limit top speed is too much crankcase oil. If you are over full, even a drop, you will have issues, because of crankcase pressurization, (or if severely over full, liquid lock). On new motors, I fill the crankcase to 1/2 on the dipstick. After a solid break-in with lots of full throttle operation in warm weather, I typically fill to about 3/4 on the stick. Resist the temptation to dump in a whole quart bottle of oil, as you will be way over full. It only needs about 3/4 of a quart from empty -- but you must VERIFY the level on the dipstick. Also, on the MFS8/9.8, because the valve cover and cylinder head comprise a "shelf" at the back of the motor (especially if the motor is tilted way down), you may want to tilt the motor up for a minute or two after filling oil (and then return to vertical), so the oil gets into the sump, in order to get an accurate dipstick reading. Be sure that the dipstick is fully seated in the bore, because if it isn't, the stick will be too high, and you may get fooled into adding too much oil.

Keep in mind that all 4-stroke outboards of all brands will "make" some oil. (The level will rise with use). This is due to fuel residue/byproducts that made it past the rings and valve seats mixing with the oil. Because the oil sump runs very cool on outboards (being splashed with water frequently), the oil never gets hot enough to boil these contaminants out of the oil. The result is "making oil".

Outboards will "make" more oil:
1- If they are run slowly or idled a lot;
2- If they are new, and the rings have not fully seated;
3- If synthetic oil is used;
4- If the oil is too heavy.

The best oil for your MFS9.8A3 is non-synthetic, FC-W rated, SAE 10w-30, 4-stroke outboard oil.
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

Rich,
Prop damage can have a terrible effect on top speed on small motors. Increased weight in the boat. Bottom condition. you should check your compression, If it is a manual start there is an unloader to make it start easyer so you won't get the180# you should, but they should be close to each other. I doubt that you ever saw 6000 my motor is limited at 5700, what kind of tach are you using. I don't run that many hours so I change it once a year at the end of the season. The LU is more important the uses tiny needle bearings where others use nice fat roller bearings. Check your oil every time you go out it doesn't take that long and it will destroy your motor in short order if it has leaked out for some reason. don't forget the valve adjustment twice a year, if they are too tight you can burn a valve.

Incorrect. There aren't any needle bearings, or for that matter, roller bearings, in the LU of any Tohatsu 8/9.8. There are very robust ball bearings for the shafts, and bronze oil-lite sleeve bearings in the A and C gears.

Further, All small Tohatsu 4-strokes have automatic compression relief to make them pull-start more easily. There isn't any manually-accessible "unloader" as you call it.

In addition, the ESG for the MFS9.8 engages at 6250 RPM. Running at 6000 all day is fine. I have been doing it for years on my 9.8.

There is not any Factory recommendation to adjust valves twice a year. In decades of servicing these motors, I have never seen valve lash that was too tight. I have checked valve lash on dozens of these motors, but never ever had one that was too tight. Eventually, they might get a little loose (not tight), but that is after many hundreds -- maybe thousands -- of hours.

Odds are that Rich's condition is a result of over-filled oil, Checking the stick will confirm.
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

as usual I will check the level, as you know I keep my boat in the water all the time due to some handi cap condition , so checking the oil level with my big butt in the rear is not going to give me a good reading. Overall I like this motor except for the top speed. I will have a friend pull it out of the water and check for overfill. The oil has been changed 3 times. I do use the motor at least 4 days a week. Thanks to a great friend( St Paul) .
 

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Incorrect. There aren't any needle bearings, or for that matter, roller bearings, in the LU of any Tohatsu 8/9.8. There are very robust ball bearings for the shafts, and bronze oil-lite sleeve bearings in the A and C gears.

Further, All small Tohatsu 4-strokes have automatic compression relief to make them pull-start more easily. There isn't any manually-accessible "unloader" as you call it.

In addition, the ESG for the MFS9.8 engages at 6250 RPM. Running at 6000 all day is fine. I have been doing it for years on my 9.8.

There is not any Factory recommendation to adjust valves twice a year. In decades of servicing these motors, I have never seen valve lash that was too tight. I have checked valve lash on dozens of these motors, but never ever had one that was too tight. Eventually, they might get a little loose (not tight), but that is after many hundreds -- maybe thousands -- of hours.

Odds are that Rich's condition is a result of over-filled oil, Checking the stick will confirm.

It's funny you should mention the valve lash non issue. Since we started selling 4-strokes in the early 90's we have never had one in any brand that was too tight or too loose. By the time they should need an adjustment (4000 or more hours) they have usually already rotted away or died from unnatural causes.
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

You both are a god sent blessing, is there a way to remove oil without taking the drain plug out. Now that said if by removing the upper plug should oil be visible and can I remove several oz's through this method
As you know I do have the latest Manual from St Paul (HA) but some of it is Greek to me.. Have a great day and thanks again what Bishop
guru..(HA)
 

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You both are a god sent blessing, is there a way to remove oil without taking the drain plug out. Now that said if by removing the upper plug should oil be visible and can I remove several oz's through this method
As you know I do have the latest Manual from St Paul (HA) but some of it is Greek to me.. Have a great day and thanks again what Bishop
guru..(HA)

You are in luck. Yes, on the MFS8/9.8, you can use an "oil extractor" in the dipstick hole, just like the guys with inboards do. You will need to use care that the stiff suction tube is all the way to the bottom of the sump in order to get all the oil out. Most extractors are for 4, 5, or 6 liters of oil -- much more than your capacity, so you will not fill the extractor tank very much... after all, you are only pulling out less than a quart.

This happens to be the technique I use on my personal 9.8, as it is mounted in a somewhat inaccessible well or "engine compartment" in the lazarette of my sailboat, and disconnecting all the RC wiring and cables to pull the motor up and out is a time-burner that I don't enjoy.
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

It's funny you should mention the valve lash non issue. Since we started selling 4-strokes in the early 90's we have never had one in any brand that was too tight or too loose. By the time they should need an adjustment (4000 or more hours) they have usually already rotted away or died from unnatural causes.

I was just replying to Star's misinformation in post #2. I hope I made myself clear that valve lash is never an issue. :)
 
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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

yes , you did... I must be having Senior Moments, My forgetfull ness is too often.
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

ST PAUL, you really blow my mind with your always correct answers. This morning I pull my boat out of the water, the wind was 25-35 mph almost didn't try it, anyway with the motor perfect level I check the oil level and wow , I took out almost 5 oz, to get the level down to half way. How did you get so damn smart. HA. didn't get a chance to run it up the lake, just too windy. Thanks again for your help..
 

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Hopefully, when you test, you will have regained the WOT RPM that you are used to.

Of all small 4-strokes on the market, my favorite is the Tohatsu 9.8... and I use one on my personal boat... extensive cruising on Lake Ontario... so I have some experience with that model.

I can't stress the concept of oil gain too much. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but running this model hot and hard gets the best results. Likewise, using 10w-30 (10w-40 in tropical conditions) non-synthetic oil helps a lot.
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

is one grade of oil better than the other, I use Quicksliver 10w-30 marine 4 stroke
 

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is one grade of oil better than the other, I use Quicksliver 10w-30 marine 4 stroke
Mercury (Quicksilver) doesn't manufacture oil... oil companies do. Any non-synthetic oil that is FC-W rated will be fine.
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

got out today but once again 25-40 mph wind, had to hug the shore but thats where the fish are . Had a good day, Idol speed a little fast 1040rpm didn't get out where I could open it up. caught about 20 nice big crappie. Hope tomorrow is just as good..
 

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was able to get out again today , the best wot i could get was 5860 rpm's into a head wind. the fish were hard to come by due to cold weather 42 degrees an windy. still need to adjust the low speed idol. getting better? Thanks again
 

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Re: 9.8hp tohatsu oil/speed

Sounds like you are on the right track :)
 

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Yes we are getting close to what I had at one time. I never thought that oil could make gains? But it does make sense. Now do I remove a few more oz's. or I think I'll wait till we have no big winds like now. It's no problem to remove oil now that you told me how. Thanks agains
 
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