87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

[shadowhawk]

where is the hydraulics, for the trim, it isn't on the motor

 

[Bosunsmate]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

You might have a manual version

 

[shadowhawk]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

there is a cylinder and lines coming from under the floor, but, no access point, there are switches to raise and lower, but they are fried, i have to rewire everything from the pump

 

[Bosunsmate]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

Are the trim/ tilt rams on the motor?
Those wiring circuits i always mark really carefully before disassembly if they dont have plugs

 

[Texasmark]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

Is this the same thing we are working on another thread? You don't duplicate threads. It is confusing for those trying to help you and the site cops will scold you.....tactfully.

We asked you about trim cylinders. We didn't get an answer. Since you say that no trim functionality is under the cowl, and it is clear from your 2 pics that it is not, then if you have trim it had to be superficial to the engine with one outboard mounted on each side of the engine.

We also said that this arrangement has the pump and hydraulic fluid tank separate from the engine. Also said that for the hyd fluid that the pump pumps to get it to the cylinders it had to go through hoses. Therefore if there are hoses connected to the cylinders on each side of the engine they lead to the pump. We said to follow the leader.

Are we wasting our time here? I know I have a lot of time in it.

Confused,
Mark

 

[shadowhawk]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

sorry bout the duplicate threads i got confused, there is a single cylinder in the middle under the motor, i don't find any resevoir for the hydraulic oil, it looks like the hoses run up under the floor but there access point

 

[Texasmark]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

sorry bout the duplicate threads i got confused, there is a single cylinder in the middle under the motor, i don't find any resevoir for the hydraulic oil, it looks like the hoses run up under the floor but there access point

I guess we are abandoning the other thread and going with this one. OK fine. Your comment about a single cylinder under the engine helps but we aren't there yet.

Before we continue, I want 2 things:

1. On your picture #1 I want you to get in the same relative position but back up about a foot giving me some insight as to what all the cables are in your splash well and more about the fuse and the large black wire adjacent. It appears that the red wire to the right of the fuse holder is the battery input power connector and the black cable to the right of that is your electrical cable that goes to the control box.

Then go around the engine and take more pictures like "2 but backed out slightly to increase your field of view. I'm looking for the trim relays. They should be electrical "things", usually cubed, two each, and would have the small blue and green wires along with larger wires to actually drive the motor.

Then lift the engine and from the rear, looking up slightly, take a picture of the trim motor. I really want that first. I want to see just what is mounted down there.

Pictures without all those shadows would help. Can't see anything in the dark.

2. What is the condition of the fuse?

Mark

 

[shadowhawk]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

i don't find any way to raise the motor manually to get to the area between the motor and transom, i did find a relay under the dash but it seems to try to lower the motor when i jump it

 

[Texasmark]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

i don't find any way to raise the motor manually to get to the area between the motor and transom, i did find a relay under the dash but it seems to try to lower the motor when i jump it

Well give me the rest of the pictures I asked for and get to the side of the engine and shoot at a 45 degree angle at the clamp bracket rear showing the area I want to see from the side. I want to see that piston and hookup you said you had.

If you jumped the relay, your fuse must be ok; would assume so.

How many terminals on the relay? Any more relays? Give me a picture of the relay

Give me a picture of the dash exterior, and the remote control from the drivers seat looking sideways.

Mark

 

[shadowhawk]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

here are some shots of the motor, the pic with the relay is too large to upload here, it is a red cylindrical relay with black, red, green, then yellow loops out and back into the relay, the main problem is someone tried to put in a radio and tore out some of the wires, which burnt out some wires

 

[Texasmark]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

here are some shots of the motor, the pic with the relay is too large to upload here, it is a red cylindrical relay with black, red, green, then yellow loops out and back into the relay, the main problem is someone tried to put in a radio and tore out some of the wires, which burnt out some wires

The green wire is interesting. The black and red are probably power in and out. The yellow is an unknown color. The looping could be that this is a dual function relay in a single housing and the looping back is wiring the separate circuits so that they work together. You have to reverse the power to the motor to get the cylinder to move up or down and that requires the interaction of 2 relay circuits.

The engine pics don't show much and are blurry and hard to see. I am interested in #1 pic. where the lower end of the engine part of the bracket has a large hole in it and something white....dirt dobber handy work. That hole is large enough and the bracket heavy enough that once upon a time a cylinder could have been mounted there. Back up on that picture (get twice the distance from it you were when you shot pic #1 and shoot it again, ensuring that you show the whole clamp bracket, the end I referred to, and the pivot pin where the engine tilts.

The pictures of the starboard transom area hoses, cables and wiring I think tell me what I wanted to know.

I'm getting the feeling that somebody really botched up this rig and you may be missing some key parts.

So get me that pic and we'll go from there.

One more thing. Up under the dash, is there a loose blue wire in the vicinity of the relay?

Mark

 

[shadowhawk]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

here is a shot of the cylinder , you can see one of the hydraulic lines running to the back of it, i don't think there ws any cylinders on the outside of the mounting bracket, here is also a shot of a lever or switch right behing where the steering hooks up, I was wrong about the pump being under the floor, when i jump the relay i can hear it by the motor, i can't get a shot of the relay, this website keeps telling me the file is too large to upload. the guy i bought the boat from said the trim was working then he installed a radio and that is when the trim quit, i found a shorted wire on the battery

 

[Texasmark]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

here is a shot of the cylinder , you can see one of the hydraulic lines running to the back of it, i don't think there ws any cylinders on the outside of the mounting bracket, here is also a shot of a lever or switch right behing where the steering hooks up, I was wrong about the pump being under the floor, when i jump the relay i can hear it by the motor, i can't get a shot of the relay, this website keeps telling me the file is too large to upload. the guy i bought the boat from said the trim was working then he installed a radio and that is when the trim quit, i found a shorted wire on the battery

In picture #1 you have a braided cover on a wiring harness that runs across in front of the port (left) side clamp bracket. From that cover 2 wires (black protective covers I suppose) exit and run over the same clamp bracket but go over the transom and disappear. Can you tell if those are two wires (I suspect so) and do they go to the trim motor between the clamp brackets?

If so, that should be your drive to the motor from the relay. One will/should be I guess be blue and the other green. Putting 12v on the blue and neg on the green will run the trim motor in one direction. Reversing the power applied to the two leads will run it in the other. If you hear humming coming from the motor, you are probably trying to drive the trim beyond the stop limits for that direction. Reverse your power as I just said and it should raise the engine.

Do that and tell me where you applied the power to the wires. If you do that you should be at the end of the blue and yellow wires. Making progress........I think.

I'll wait.

Also I asked for a side picture of the control box and haven't received it. How about that one. Looking for the trim switch. If it's on the dash show me that.

Mark

 

[glenn property of pam]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

what is the model number....is it like this one Mariner 50 HP (4 CYL.) Outboard Motor Parts by Component

 

[Texasmark]

Re: 87 basstracker 50 hp mariner

what is the model number....is it like this one Mariner 50 HP (4 CYL.) Outboard Motor Parts by Component

I think it is a 3 cyl. Reason is in one of his pictures from the side of the engine, you can see where the lower rear of the clam shell would normally be covering part of the mid section.

I think I'm finally figuring out this thing. It been a screwy process but in looking through reference material, Merc/Mar has a different trim motor up to 50 hp. than above, like mine. It is apparently a lower power unit allowing for the trim relay to be remote to the engine without worrying about running large diameter wires to carry heavier current all over the boat.

Other thing is it apparently is a 3 cyl engine and has the trim components between the clamp brackets and a single cylinder.

So now we are up to the dash where the trim relay is located and we are fixing to work through the interface between the relay, the engine and the control. We are making progress. If we can get some pics of what the PO whacked and burned up in the wiring harness we might be there.

Mark