87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

jim dozier

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I acquired this OB this past summer. Warning buzzer went off so I replaced the water pump and thermostat (they were due anyway). I found a piece of an old impeller in the old thermostat. The boat runs great and can run all day at 3/4 throttle but a couple of minutes at WOT sets off the buzzer even though the pee stream is strong. A mechanic says the head gasket corrosion is blocking the head water return and it needs a new head gasket. He warns that old Suzuki are prone to frozen (then busted when removed) head bolts. Any idea for a fix or do I just bite the bullet and pull the head and hope for the best.
 

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Re: 87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

Pulling the head is easy on most motors (I do not know the Suz). That will let you check for other pieces of the impeller that may be stuck in a water passage. Also it will let you clean out all of the salt water crud that accumulates in the water passages over the years. You may also want to pull the exhaust cover & do the same thing. If it is not a big thing to do pull the lower unit and hit all the water passages and water passage holes in the block with high pressure air.<br /><br />Of course new gaskets & torque to spec when you put it back together. Hope you have a manual.
 

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Re: 87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

Thanks for the encouragement. My main concern is the warning that the mechanic gave me regarding the frozen bolts. He says they often break. I have removed heads before (I do have a manual) some years ago but I didn't know if stuck bolts were a particular problem on Susukis and if there was a simpler fix since the engine and the rest of the cooling system seems to be Ok.
 

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Re: 87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

If you have or can borrow a small impact gun 3/8" set it up to just above the torque of the bolt.. In other words take a simular bolt place a nut in a vice and add a few washers.. knowing the bolt torque set the impact so it torques just above the spec.. then reverse and let it hammer on the bolts it should break them loose and at least not break them.. The hammering of the impact is the trick..
 

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Re: 87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

Thanks, my neighbor has and impact driver I believe. Is there any other way arounnd this? Are there any chemical flushes that will help without harming the engine? Also, if I do break one or more off, should I attempt to remove the stump with an easy-out stump remover or just drill the bolt out. I ask because I busted an easy-out off in a smaller broken bolt stump on the thermostat housing and had a devil of a time removing the hardened steel easy-out remnant. So I guess I am a little gun-shy.
 

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Re: 87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

jim - If you bust a bolt you can go the easy-out route. I have tried this with little success. Last time I broke the easy-out bit flush with the block.<br /><br />I would take it to a machine shop if you break the bolt. They have the tools & techniques and won't charge much.<br /><br />First I would try the impact driver as the other guts have suggested. If you don't have one you should be able to buy one that you hit with a hammer for cheap.
 

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Re: 87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

Thanks guys for the replies. I got the head off with a lot of heat, patience, and an impact wrench. About 5 of the 14 would not budge by hand without excessive force but 4 came off with extended hammering of the impact wrench. Alas, 1 did break at the head. I was able to drill it out. Once I got the head off and put some solvent behind the threads it came out with a pair of vice grips. My mechanic was dead on about the overheating problem the left (exit) side of the cylinder head water passage was all salted/corroded up and water could not flow freely. I will be installing a new head gasket next weekend with the hope that it is fixed.
 
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Re: 87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

jimd,<br /><br />The Suzi 85 was notorious for head gasket issues.<br /><br />One way to help prolong gasket life is to retorque the head after the initial warm up, after installation.<br /><br />Make sure you torque to the correct values and in the correct sequence.
 

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Re: 87 85hp Suzuki overheats only WOT Update (A Cautionary Tale)

Just an update on this motor. A cautionary tale for some of us who are too quick to start ripping into these motors. (Alas, this may pertain to me!) After I replaced the head gasket on this motor I did in fact find some severe blockages due to salt and corrosion and I thought I had it fixed.<br /><br />I found the thermostat was now stuck closed when I test drove it. The thermostat had been recently replaced and I had a another post here about whether I should put it back in because it was running good without it and not overheating, although the water was as cold (60 deg F) as it ever gets here. I took the advice to put a new one back in. Well,a s the water temps rose into the 70's here the alarm would go back off after about 3-5 minutes of WOT.<br /><br />I decided to put a temp gage on the cylinder head to monitor the temp. It looked like the alarm was going off at about 190 F.(about 1/3 way between 170 and 220 F). Alas, when installing the temp gage, which uses the head bolt, I stripped the head bolt and had to remove the head again, install some heli-coils and replace the head gasket (again).<br /><br />I decided I needed to pull the exhaust cover and check for blockages there, as it was the only place left I hadn't visualized or already replaced. Because 8 of 15 bolts broke off in the removal process (another post here), I had to remove the power head. I did find some coolant blockages in the exhaust cover passages also, although not as bad as the head was. After I got it reassembled and test drove it, the alarm was still there after about 3-5 minutes of WOT. The alarm was still going off about 190 F.<br /><br />Someone (roscoe, I shoulda listened to you brother) in my "thermostat keep or go" post had suggested that the sensor might be bad and should be replaced. Because it had seemed to be doing its job and was consistent (i.e. it wasn't on all the time or at odd times, only at WOT) I had assumed (ass-u-me) that it must have been OK.<br /><br />Because there was nothing else left, I bit the bullet and called Brownspoint, an online dealer who told me that the sensor should turn on at 237 F and then go off after dropping to 194 F. Since my warning seemed to start at about 190 F I decided to spend the $55.00 for the new thimbal sized sensor and installed it. Four trips later and long periods at WOT I have not heard the warning buzzer.<br /><br />Although I did find significant blockage in the head and some in the exhaust cover passages, one wonders whether replacing the sensor early on might have saved considerable time and money. On the plus side I have gotten really good at removing stuck bolts and my motor pisses like a 2 year old. Just remember wherever you go, there you are.
 
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