62 Glaspar Tacoma?

reelmess

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I've been looking at an old boat that a guy nearby has for sale, a '62 Glaspar Tacoma. A web search doesn't turn up very much on this model but from what I see, it's almost identical to an Avalon?

The boat had a new deck professionally done two years ago, I know the current owner paid over $2,000 for that job at a local boat works. The transom is somewhat sound but will need to be done soon. Its holding the 25hp Mercury on it just fine but the upper corners are soft where the tie down eyes are. It's a curved transom as well so I'd guess its a candidate for a poured composite transom?

The motor is old but it was completely overhauled by a Mercury dealer and he's got reciepts for over $1800 for that job just last May. It's also got two new seats and pedestals which are anchored to stainless studded plates beneath the new deck. The seats are nothing more than two fold down Todd "Big Man" seats in all white. He also replaced the windshield last spring, the receipt for the new windshield, gasket, and hardware says he paid $388 for the new windshield, then another $210 to have it installed at the marina.

The boat also had a pretty nasty repair done on the lower hull, which was the reason for the new deck. The trailer lost a roller bracket and the 1" square bracket punched a hole in the lower hull about a foot from the transom, about 4" inboard of the outer chine. They used some sort of fiber mat and epoxy to make the repair, then painted the whole lower hull with Petit Easypoxy in white. The top of the hull still needs to be repainted as it's all checked and cracked looking. It's got about 10 coats of old paint on it now. Its also got cable and pulley steering, it works but it's old and stiff.

Anyway, to the point, what is this boat worth? He's got over $4500 in the boat in the last year, but it needs another $3,000 in the transom, steering, and upper paint. He got a quote of $2750 to do the transom and to paint the upper part of the boat. He got the few quotes, that was the cheapest.
He bought a new boat last month and seems to have lost interest in this boat. I like the boat and have fished in that boat for 30 or more years, it was his dad's originally, and it's been stored indoors since new. On top of what ever I pay for the boat, plus the $3000 I need to put out in repairs, I'd be looking to replace the trailer as its sort of due and being a painted trailer, it wouldn't last long if I launched it often in saltwater. I figure another $2600 for a new trailer. I priced a few newer boats, everything is way out of reach price wise, and I don't see me fishing much in his new boat as it's too big to get into the places I like to fish. This boat does just fine. I priced several 16' boats with 25hp motors and trailers and nothing is under $10K, not even a tiller steer model. Anything glass was well over $16K for the most basic of boats. I like the closed bow and small outboard, I could find nothing even similar in a fiberglass boat new. Being that I venture out into bigger water from time to time, weather permitting, the boat needs to be a closed bow model.

What would be a fair price to offer for it? He pretty much handed me all the receipts and asked me to make an offer if I want it.
 

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Re: 62 Glaspar Tacoma?

The boat is worth what you are willing to pay for it. Personally, I would be afraid to make him an offer for fear of insulting him, but then again, if he already bought a new boat he knows it isn't worth putting more money into it ...

Can you do any of the work yourself, or would you need to contract it out? How much of a project do you really want? Ask yourself these questions and then make an offer that you can live with and afford.
 

mr 88

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Being your buddy I would flat out tell him I can offer you 500 and thats all I have to spare, Nothing more, nothing less. Who cares what he put into it ?. It is what it is, a 49 year old boat that is not a collectable. You can pick up a trailer on craigs all day long for 500.His probably needs some bearings and its good to go. The craigs find will include a crappy boat and probably a decent running motor which you can sell for 3-500 all day long. The transom if you DYI is a max of 250 in material. Why give some marina 2000 for a job done by a 10 per hour tech that will do in 8 hours? Us the search engine on this forum for answers to your restoration questions.You plan on fishing not going to boat shows so rebuild it like its going to be a work boat. Screw the paint,use it for a few years then dump it. If you want to get something newer, they show up all the time. You said it yourself he lost interest in the boat and no one in there right mind will give him more than 500-700 for it. Thats just my opinion.
 

reelmess

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Re: 62 Glaspar Tacoma?

I guess I'm willing to pay what it takes to get a boat that does what this boat is capable of. Most likely that means I'm after a 40+ year old or more runabout. The newer boats were too heavy, I looked at several from the 70's and 80's but all needed everything done, rotted transoms, rotted floors, water logged foam, cracked glass, rusted out trailers, no trailers, etc. The way I see it this boat has the bulk of the work already done, its far closer to being new again than anything else I looked at.

I'm capable of doing the work, but don't really care to and I don't have a place to do it. I would send it out and have it done and ready for spring.
The way I see it, if I had to do what he had done now, a few years later in some cases, I'd probably pay double. Since everything here is under a foot or more of snow, working on it myself isn't even an option.
I looked at many new boats, can't find anything I like for anywhere near my budget. I can get this boat and have it 100% perfect for well under $10G.
This guy is a neighbor and someone I grew up with, he gave up on this boat after his old lady made him buy a new family boat, she wouldn't ride in a small boat, it made her sick. He's now on the hook for a new 25' Sea Hunt center console. Its a nice boat but not much good in the back waters and rivers I like to fish. Offshore isn't for me. The Glaspar is a boat that can be used as is, but I'd do the transom first, I don't trust it since rot is already started. I was thinking of offering him $2500, but I doubt if he'll take that big of a hit on it. I think he'd just park it in one of his older buildings out back and let it sit before taking a loss. After all the motor has to be worth at least the sum of it's parts. The new or reman power head has got to be worth darn near what he paid?

I looked on CL for a trailer, I've been looking for a long time but no luck, everything on there is either rusty, needs tires and wheels, too small, or too big. The only one I looked at that was decent was only a few hundred bucks shy of a new one. I also want a roller trailer with a power winch if possible.
I plan to tow this with a small truck or my car, so I can't be backing down into the mud or silt on the ramp. The trailer needs to keep my dry when I launch the boat, not to mention I also fish well into the winter so long as the it's not iced over. I don't plan to get wet when it's below freezing outside.
This too is another reason to buy the boat, it's current owner won't fish if it's cold outside, and I don't suppose he'll be using that boat at all after spending so much on a new boat and tow vehicle.

I though about painting it myself, but the last time I spray painted something in the driveway here the township fined me for painting outside of a paint booth. Apparently it's illegal to spray paint outdoors here. That cost me a day at work and $550 and court costs all for spray painting two cast iron bar stools one Saturday morning. I'd go to jail if I painted the whole top of the boat. I'd tow the boat with my company truck but I can't park that here since it's got commercial tags, I've already been warned about having that in my driveway overnight twice now.

I think the guys down at the marina, at least the mechanics get a good bit more than $10 per hour, the one guy told me he left his state job to go there for the money, I'd venture to guess their closer to $30 per hour. They charge $144 per hour there, the boat works just quotes per job, they do nice work. The deck they installed is all glass, no more wood. They used sheet panels of a fiberglass composite with a honeycomb core. Its light and won't rot. They then put a few layers of glass and a coat of white gel coat over top with a slight texture to it. They told him that it should never wear out. They wanted to do the transom then but he didn't have the cash and they didn't want to do a poured transom, they would only do wood.

The transom is the immediate concern, it would be the first thing I have done, then a new trailer. One dealer told me that they would swap and fit the new trailer for me at no charge, the rest told me there's a $250 fee to make it fit my boat. That dealer is a few bucks more on the trailer but that trailer comes with a new Power Winch brand winch and LED lights too, so I not only would get a nicer trailer, I wouldn't have to pay to get it adjusted. That means a lot when the ground is snow covered and its 24 degrees outside. They also have the trailer in stock, the others would have to order one.

I think the price to do just the transom was like $1800, so that plus a trailer and I'm on the water this season on my own, no waiting for a buddy to decide if he feels like fishing. The way I see it, for around $7,000 I'm on the water fishing. If I go buy a new boat, I won't get what I want, they don't make it anymore, and I'd be out no less than $12,000 or so plus tax.
I looked at 20 or so boat dealers around here, the only thing light enough and in the 16' range is aluminum, and nothing with a closed bow in that price range. For that matter, I can't even buy a 14' skiff for $7,000, which is probably the cheapest of the glass boat options.

If anyone knows of a brand new 16' closed bow boat that's sold today for under $10K, I'd be interested, but locally I found nothing but bow riders, deck boats, and open fishing boats. I like that storage area under the bow, and I like how light these old boats are. I don't think the Glaspar is much over 400lbs without the motor and add ons. I doubt if the boat, motor and a new roller trailer would top 1,500 lbs on the hitch. I think the trailer is listed at about 570lbs, the motor has to be less than 200lbs, and I'd figure on a few hundred for the trim and windshield, plus a hundred or so in misc gear that would travel in the boat. All of this means I can tow this behind just about anything rear wheel drive.
 

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mr 88

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Re: 62 Glaspar Tacoma?

Well it sounds like you have already made up your mind and really do not need anyones advice or experience they have in dealing with the issues you have mentioned. Why have you not asked him what he wants for it, not what he put into it,everybody puts more into there boats than they will ever get back. No real ROI in this hobby. So go ahead and pull the trigger on your own.
 

reelmess

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I didn't have anywhere NEAR that kind of money in this one:
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It was real light. I towed it (although not my preference) behind a FWD Buick before I got my truck.

There's a ton of those things around here, I looked at one not far from here for $500, but it needed everything, the floor was gone, literally, and the transom was falling apart. No motor, badly rusted painted trailer and peeling paint all over. Even the dash was falling down. I looked at another, for $3500, it wasn't much better, only it had a ton of patches and three or four layers of wood on the floor. That one had a tired 40hp on it.

I also want an older, light fiberglass hull, one made before they started to use chopped glass from a gun. Another buddy has an old Starcraft 14' from the late 50's, its also all glass, no wood other than the transom. The deck lays flat on tubular stringers. It's so light that two of us can flip the boat over for winter storage. He tows that with a small Toyota.
I'm looking at an old Ford Ranger, about a 1992 or so. Two wheel drive, 4 cylinder and fairly clean for only $3500, it's got about 80K on it and has been garage kept since new. I priced a hitch at around $400 for it installed, and I figured a full service would be in order to start with to be sure it's 100%.
I sort of set aside about $10K for a boat, including a truck to pull it with, I think I'll be close but may go a bit over when all done. I called the guy about the transom job, he says he can do just the transom for $1500 using Arjay? Another shop said since it's a small boat they can just lay up an all glass transom with mat and resin? They only wanted $400 but said it would tie up the boat for a few months due to their work load.

I did a search online for other Glaspar boats for sale, it seems that most are Avalon models, but that model looks identical to this Tacoma. Most are in the $1000 range unrestored or in basically unknown condition. I feel I'm better off with this boat since I know what is there.

I plan to try and get a price from him tonight if he's around. The conversation has to happen when his wife is not around, she feels he needs to make a fair profit on his investment and isn't shy about saying so.
What worries me is that he told her that they could sell the old boat to cover the cost of the new one. She has no idea as to anything's value, she just sees dollar signs.

Something I thought about is what if I already owned that boat, how much would I spend to make it what it is today, and the answer is probably far more than he's got into it. No matter what I buy its going to be old, and it's going to need work. At least this one has most of that work done.
I also look at it as that there's no way you could pay me enough to work with fiberglass like they do at the boat works. I itch just thinking about it.
 

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Arjay is the company that makes Nida Bond, transom in a 'bottle'. That is what I will be using when I do mine ,about 125 for a 5 gallon bucket which is the only way they come, you may need 7-9 gallons for a pour. Just wondering where you live that Craigs does not seem to have any better deals? Heck you may want to post a WTB on there and come up with a killer deal in this economy. Be patient Grasshopper and you will be rewarded.
 

reelmess

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Well, as of today, I own a Glaspar Tacoma.
I sat down and we worked out a deal better than I had hoped for.
He's going to sign the boat over to me, and pay for the transom job which will be done next month. I will buy the new trailer, which I pick up tomorrow weather permitting. I got the boat for nothing I keep it here in my yard, and we continue to use it as we have before, only now it's going to be in better shape and on a safe trailer. I'll use his old truck to pull the boat for now which will stay with the boat till I find something better. (I'm not real fond of a 1977 Chevy with way too much rust and no A/C, not to mention I doubt if it ever breaks 10mpg towing anything).
With the title in my name, the boat is here to stay, I don't put out all that much money right away, and it gets fixed right. I may spring for the new paint up top as well, it might as well all get done together.They will no doubt have to mix paint when the pour the transom and cap the top, so why not do it all at one time. When done the boat will be good as new. The key was getting around his wife, who apparently was just as happy to have the boat and truck out of their yard. Now I just have to keep the township off my case about having a rusty pickup parked in the driveway. I don't think they can do anything so long as it's registered.

I'm in NJ, I checked several surrounding CL pages under boats and found nothing suitable in a roller trailer, everything I looked at either needed work or was too big or too small. I realize I could use a much lighter trailer but I want a roller trailer, so my options are down to either a Load Rite 14-17' model with 12 urethane rollers or something similar but heavier from Sea Lion trailers. I like the LR best since it's lighter being made from tubing rather than C channel. The trailer would also work for a variety of other boats if needed down the road too. I'll also make a few changes to the boat like a few more rod holders, some sort of floor covering that is less slippery than bare fiberglass, and a new Teleflex steering kit. Since I got the boat so cheap, I can spend a little more on a tow vehicle now too, and maybe some new tackle. I was also thinking about a trolling motor too, a big electric that's rated for saltwater. Something that can be controlled from the drivers seat.
I will also have a GPS chart plotter installed for marking and finding fishing spots.
 

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Re: 62 Glaspar Tacoma?

I cannot envision this boat or what makes it so special. Pics???
 

reelmess

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The only pic I have is one of it when he first bought it. Long before all the work was done. This pic is about 10 years old or so. I'm not sure where it was taken, it wasn't taken around here.
I don't think there's anything special about this boat, it's just been all fixed up over the years. That and it was cheap, I now have a boat to use and haven't spent a life savings on it. As far as I know no one makes a boat like this now? Everything on the dealer lots seems to be either a bow rider, open skiff or center console, none of which I care to own. Its just too risky to go miles out in the bay or ocean with an open boat. At least with a closed bow, a wave over the bow gets deflected and you stay dry. Also, being that it's a small, light boat, it can still run in the back waters and lakes too.

I picked up the new trailer today, I went with the Load Rite, it's a little heavier than it needs to be but it fits the boat well and being a full roller trailer it'll make loading a snap. They even wired up the old truck for the winch as part of the deal. The only thing I was a bit upset about is that they wouldn't let me tow the old trailer home behind the boat? I was just going to chain the old trailer up to the back of the cross member and drag it home. Now I have to make a special trip back, burn another half tank of gas to go get the old trailer. I'd abandon it there if I didn't think they'd just sell it for profit. If anyone is going to sell it, it's going to be me. I was planning on listing it for $650 or so on Craigslist to recover some of the cash put out on the new trailer. It's rusty but no where near as rusty as some of the other trailers I looked at for double that. In my opinion, it's more suited for a small jon boat or aluminum V hull. With only 12" wheels and wood bunks, it's not a very stout trailer. It's capacity is also greatly reduced by all the rust under neath the tongue. It's perforated pretty good around where it tilts. Someone fixed it once with body filler but it fell off, they just stuffed it with paper and filled over the holes.

At least now it's sitting on a new trailer, it goes next week for the new transom job. I ordered new rod holders, a larger bimini top, and a new Garmin GPS for it today too.
I'll try and get some pics once the weather clears up a bit, right now everything is snow covered. I had all sorts of trouble getting the boat back into my driveway today, the truck kept spinning and sliding sideways into the fence. The driveway slopes to one side and being snow and ice covered, its almost impossible to move on.
The truck also needs some tires, they're not bald but their about worthless on ice and snow. There's also a brake issue I think, every so often when I hit the brakes, there's nothing there, but tapping the pedal again, everything is fine. It only happens every so often, so I don't think it's serious, my buddy says its been doing it for years.
I did stop and get some new plywood for the truck bed, the old bed floor was about rotted away, at least now you can stand in the bed of the truck. It's been dunked into saltwater so many times the bed is all but falling off the frame.
 

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