60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

[The RealRookie]

I just found this problem. As you move the throttle, the armature plate turns and the throttle roller rides on a cam plate attached to the armature plate.<br /><br />Now, i just noticed this when playing with the plug wires. Because when the armature plate moves to near or full throttle, the plug wires hit and rub on the throttle linkage where it comes up into the power head area.<br /><br />I moved the plug wires with my hand AND the armature plate moved a little more AND the throttle roller went off the end of the throttle rollers cam preventing me to turn the throttle back down. The engine was off while fooling with this.<br /><br />It seems there is no armature plate stop preventing it from moving to far. I really want to move the plug wires so they dont rub but thats the only thing keeping the throttle from going to far and getting stuck.<br /><br />Any ideas?

 

[The RealRookie]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

My motor has a little different lower unit than the rest of the motor, and looking at all the parts and how it works, im guessing i have a wrong part on here. This is not a picture of my motor<br /><br />

<br /><br />See the gold colored throttle linkage to the right side (rear of motor)? Thats what mine has. When bringing the throttle to the stop posistion, that hits the housing just above the fuel filter where the housing is rounded, if ya follow me.<br /><br />With the linkage off, my throttle moves full tilt with the marking on the tiller. With it all hooked up, i only get 1/2 the turning on the tiller. It goes from stop, shift, start and fast. When hooked up i get from shift to fast. <br /><br />Its like i have a wrong part on here. Im not so sure im supposed to have a stop on anything for the throttle limits. I think it comes into play with the tiller gears getting to thier limits.<br /><br />Ugh.<br /><br />I need a parts digram or something<br /><br />I jsut noticed something. That throttle arm that connects to that gold colored linkage is shorter than mine.<br /><br />Thats probably my whole problem. If it was shorter, it probably wouldnt hit.<br /><br />Hmmm, remove and drill thoughts running in my head.<br /><br />Edit again, well maybe not shorter. Comparing to that pic, im not so sure its shorter

 

[The RealRookie]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

Oh kay, Update<br /><br />I went to the marina and looked thru thier book trying to match up part numbers. Some didnt match...BUT, the guy there told me, that dont matter.<br /><br />He told me my tiller gears have jumped a tooth. He insists!! I bet he is right. He explained alot to me and im going to play with it for a while and see if i can get it figured out. He said they use a washer to take up some of the slack that the gears get over time.<br /><br />Will post back results.

 

[The RealRookie]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

Its not working. There is only one way the tilt gears can go on.

 

[alcan]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

Yes there is only one way the tiller gears fit the shafts. How ever it is common for the gears to jump a tooth or two, as you were told. Do not pat too much attention to the fast,shift,slow markings on the tiller handle. They are sort of a reference, not necessarly accurate. You might try backing up the gears a notch or two. Did you replace the spark wires and coils? If so, did you replace the brass throtle control link in the correct position on the stator plate. This is the bracket with two screws that hold it to the bottom of the stator.

 

[The RealRookie]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

There is only one way all of this can go together, including the gold arm attacthed to the stator plate. One end of it has a little tab that holds a spark plug wire as it comes out from under there. I never had the parts on the stator plate apart.<br /><br />The part where im saying the tiller handle isnt lining up.... I dont mean actualy lining up. I mean, ill try to explain.<br /><br />Even if this was all worn and they didnt line up, fine<br /><br />But, when i have "fast------slow--shift--stop" in that spacing...ok, follow me? I should have that much turning room on the handle, EVEN if they dont line up...ok<br /><br />I dont get that much movement<br /><br />I get from "slow--shift" and thats it. When i turn my tiller handle from one end to the other, i get half the movement i should. WITH that movement the carbs throttle roller moves from one end of the cam to the other. <br /><br />So, what i mean is, its like i have the wrong gearing<br /><br />Do you follow me now?<br /><br />Im trying to get in contact with a fellow fixing anothers motor (and have been told we can do this by both parties) to go and check out this 64 5.5. <br /><br />Trying to get in touch with nother who said he has the same motor as mine. Either way, i should get an idea how its supposed to work and see if i have a wrong part.

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

I don't know if you have a Factory Manual, but it would explain and show you how to set it up.<br /><br /> Factory Manual

 

[The RealRookie]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

I cant see spending 30 bucks on a manual for a motor im NOT SURE im going to keep, and with being unemployed, with a wife who is collecting, with 3 kids, one thats preschool, i cant afford it in the first place.

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

Gottcha...

 

[Chinewalker]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

Hi Rookie,<br /> First of all, you cannot have a jumped tooth and not know it - the ball gears only go together properly one way, as there is one fat tooth that aligns with the wide space on the mating gear.<br /> Second, my money is on the wrong throttle arm theory. Pretty much all of the 5.5/6hp models used the same throttle arm. However, throttle arms off of other motors MAY fit as far as they'lkl slide in and hook up to the magneto arm, BUT they have a different throw radius on the arm, which can throw everything else off. The way you have yours set up is certainly not by design. I would see if your local marinas have a similar motor on the rack and compare your throttle arm directly. Casting numbers may not tell the whole story, as they can change with a minor casting change.<br /> If I get a chance, I will measure up the center-to-center radius of the throttle arm on one of mine... Might be a few days...<br />- Scott

 

[The RealRookie]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

Im heading out tonight to check out and compare mine to a 64 motor thats in for repairs. I can get to a 60, but not till sunday.<br /><br />Ill see what happens tonight and let you know. If i dont make out well, or i need a dimension to modify something, ill take some pics and measurements and post back.<br /><br />Thanks

 

[The RealRookie]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

I just noticed, the arm that comes up into the power head housing from the end of the tiller is painted the same color as the lower end, which is a differnt color than the rest of the motor.<br /><br />And, you know what else. That arm being shorter would make perfect sense in the woeking of it all.

 

[The RealRookie]

Re: 60 5.5 Rude armature plate stop

<br /><br />See a problem? That shorter one is a 64 5.5 fisherman.<br /><br />Anyone know where i can get one cheap? Im going to modify mine untill i find one.