5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

daringmor

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Ok here is the story behind this boat. It is a 1986 Bayliner Capri that had a Volvo 305 in it Cast ID 551. It ran fine last summer but it wasn't winterized correctly and cracked the block. I put in a new re-manufactured 350 to get a little more power as well as a new water pump, plugs and wires.

After the motor was installed I took it out for its fist run. It started up great, sat there and idled just fine. got it up to about 25-30 mph (half throttle) and anything beyond that point it just bogs down like it is getting ready to shut off. It starts backfiring and just grumbling like crazy. If you back down to about half throttle everything is fine. I would love to tell you about how many RPM's it starts to do it but to be honest with you my tachometer does not work so I don't know.

Here is another thing about the installation of the motor that you should know as well. It might make a difference and it might not but I thought I would throw it out there anyways. I was told that the new block did not have a place on it for the old fuel pump and that I needed to upgrade to a electronic one. I wanted to put a marine one on but he talked me into putting an automotive fuel pump on it (35 gal/hr). I was thinking that this was the problem.

After the first failed attempt to have some fun I took it back up to the repair shop for them to take another look at it. He reassured me that the fuel pump should be fine since it was pretty big. He took the carb off the manifold to see if there were any stuck floats and he said everything looked fine. He then proceeded to tell me that the carb had a fuel filter on it and so did the new fuel pump so he took one of them off saying that you didn't need two and that might be the problem.

I am going to get the boat back tomorrow and drop it in the water to see if anything has change and i'll let you guys know then.

I have a suspicion that he doesn't know what is wrong with it and is trying every little small step to try and figure it out. SUMMERS ALMOST OVER!!!

My question to you guys is have you ever had this problem or help solve a problem like this and can you help me out so if this next step doesn't work that I can have try the suggestions you mention here.

Anything would be great and I hope I did a well enough job at describing the boat and what Ihad done to it.

Thanks in advance!

Darin
 

Don S

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

You need to get a marine fuel pump, and get it installed thru an oil pressure switch so it doesn't run unless the engine is running.

List of possible causes of low WOT.

Engine Won't Reach Operating RPM. Check

  • Fuel condition. Type and Octane possibly old fuel
  • Propeller pitch or diameter, damaged blades
  • Restricted fuel pickup tube or anti siphon valve Fuel System Test
  • Crankcase oil volume, high oil level can cause aerated oil and lifter collapse
  • Marine growth on hull and outdrive
  • Wrong gear ratio in outdrive
  • Restricted carburetor air intake (clogged flame arrestor)
  • Restricted exhaust system (broken exhaust shutters/flappers) in engine transom shield or drive
  • Poor cylinder compression Compression Test
  • Carburetor defective, or wrong type.
  • Fuel pump pressure and vacuum
  • Boat overloaded, improperly loaded, or improperly trimmed.
  • Engine Overheating
  • Engine timing and ignition system operation
  • Remote control cables and linkage for proper travel to open throttle plates fully.
 

bolo78910

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

as the man above said , dont dare use any auto fuel pump, you and anyone on your boat might go bomb, not good, good luck you are on the right forum for getting that engine running great.
 

daringmor

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

Thanks guys! I was going to pick it up tonight to see if his modifications worked or not but I think I will call them and have go ahead and put a marine fuel pump on it anyways.

If I were to go buy one are they hard to put on or should I just pay the $70 an hour for them to do it?
 

bolo78910

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

its not difficult, its like a walk in the park if you know what u r doing, if you was close in my area i would do it for you free,

next get the service manual, for your engine, it list everything how to do .

good idea to get the marine pump, if u r one handed like my friend have someone who know what they are doing to install it.

good luck.
 

Maclin

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

There are two parts to your fuel pump fix...

First, use a Marine electric fuel pump.

Second, make appropriate wiring changes:
A.) You must wire in an oil pressure switch in series into the power supply to the pump. This is like an oil pressure sender and is screwed into an oil passage except it has two wires and closes
(turns ON) when it senses oil pressure and opens (turns OFF) when oil pressure is too low or zero.
B.) You must wire in a bypass circuit that will give the fuel pump power when the key is in the START position so fuel can be pumped while cranking. This bypass should get power from the "starter" side of the starter relay and not on the "ignition" side. This will keep power from sneaking back and energizing the relay while the engine is running as the bypass and main power to the pump are connected.

If you can have the mechanic look at an electric fuel pump wiring diagram from a later model and start from there your installation will be safer and meet CG regs.
 

Maclin

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

Actually I think you should use a Mercruiser diagram as the Volvo models do not use the oil pressure switch in favor of receiving 12 volts from the alternator as it runs, and your "older" alternator may not support this (not power wise but wiring). I do not remember how the bypass in a Volvo setup is wired.
 

daringmor

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

Well I ordered and finally received the new fuel pump today. Hopefully it will get put on tomorrow so I can take it out for a trial. I'll update this once I get it out on the water. Thanks for all your help!
 

daringmor

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

Hope you guys can clarify this one for me. I real good friend of mine is a big time auto/race mechanic and I was talking with him about this problem and why we ordered a marine fuel pump. He was saying that since I switched from a 305 to a 350 that I might have to do a bunch of adjusting on the carb to get it running right because of the bigger motor. (He also said to get a new Elderbrook manifold and carb combo for it and not worry about.) Does this make any since to you guys? I can change my own oil and rotate my tires but when it come to the engine I am pretty much clueless. Any other thoughts are alway appreciated.

Thanks,
Darin
 

Uraijit

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

What carb is on it currently?

Also, "just buying a different carb" isn't going to change much. Even a brand new carb is going to require tuning to your specific engine.

The difference between the 305 and 350 is not significant enough to require a different carb. Just, perhaps, some adjusting.

If you do decide to get a different carb, you need to make sure you get a marine carb.
 

Maclin

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

If it is a Quadrajet carb then it is probably good as is. They are pretty forgiving on size of engine. Other carbs are good for a range of cubic inches but from 305 to 350 is probably within their tolerance as well.

Don't adjust anything on or in the carb before you get all the rest of it going good.
 

daringmor

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why? UPDATE

Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why? UPDATE

Well I got the boat back after the new marine fuel pump was put on. It doesn't bog down as much but it still does. As soon as you go to open up the secondaries with the throttle she bogs way down and spits and sputters still. It isn't as bad but as I said before it still does it.

I am at my wits end with this. I have used this boat for a total of about 2 hours this summer and it still doesn't work properly.

I have it scheduled at a different shop on Monday to see if they can get it running since the last place can't seem to get it running correctly.

Do you guys have any idea of what to try next?
 

mtnrat

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Re: 5.7 Volvo bogging out at higher RPM'S Why?

Different shop is a good idea.
 
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