5.0 MPI Alpha or Bravo III

agallant80

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Looking at having a 2013 Stingray 250CS built. Its a 25 foot cabin cruiser weighing about 5,000Lbs I am going to get the Mercruiser 5.0 MPI for the motor I am just torn between getting an Alpha 1 or a Bravo III

I am leaning towards the Alpha One because the props are about $120 VS about $700 for the counter rotating set on the Bravo III. I go through a prop a year for some reason, always end up hitting something. The Alpha One is within specification of the 5.0 MPI. I am just wondering is there any compelling reason why I should get the Bravo III? Also if for some reason I end up destroying the outdrive the Alpha One is about $1,500 to replace where the Bravo III is about $4,000 to replace.

Please let me know your thoughts.
 

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Time to plane will be much quicker with the Bravo III. Low speed manuevering is easier with Bravo III. Bravo III looks cooler on the trailer.
 

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I would have to guess that a 2013 of that model would be quite expensive and going with anything other than a B3 (or Volvo equivalent) in larger cruisers is a mistake even with the additional cost if you have to replace it.

Having had (the Maxum just sold a couple weeks ago) both outdrives, I will always opt for a Bravo if it is offered regardless of boat size.

Mark
 

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Going to the B3 is one thing, but why skimp on a 5.0 and not go 5.7. I couldn't imagine putting a 5.0 in a 25' boat.
 

HT32BSX115

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I would ABSOLUTELY go with the Bravo III if I had a choice.

It will perform better "all around".

You're buying a new boat. what do you care what it costs if you damage the drive? You'll have insurance won't you?

Now, I have a Bravo III and I only have liability insurance.......But I'm thinking about getting "full coverage" JUST because I have a Bravo III.

I'm also thinking about buying a 2002 Searay 280 that has twin 5.0L V-8's and Bravo III's......I'll definately get full coverage on that thing!!!


Get the Bravo III, you won't be sorry!


Cheers,

Rick
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Going to the B3 is one thing, but why skimp on a 5.0 and not go 5.7. I couldn't imagine putting a 5.0 in a 25' boat.
Would you have said the same thing about a 1996 EFI 5.7L? The MPI 5.0 puts out more.
 

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I've got a Regal 2250 Cuddy (approx 4,000lbs dry) with the 5.7L 350Mag / Bravo III - leaps out of the hole, good top end ~53mph.

A friend has a Rinker 246 (approx 5,000lbs dry) with the Volvo 5.0L / Duoprop - reasonable top speed ~47mph but seems slow out of the hole. His dealer said that they initially imported them with the single-prop SX drives but that the boats really struggled to get on the plane with a few people on board.

A bigger, heavier boat with the 5.0L and an Alpha Drive does not sound like an ideal choice. Go with the Bravo III at least and, preferably, the 350MAG. The motor doesn't cost much more, weighs exactly the same and has way more torque than the extra 40hp would suggest. Don't take my word for it - search the forum. You will find no end of discussions where owners are unhappy with the performance of their boats. When buying used, you have to take what you can find but, if you're buying new, get what you want and will be happy with.

At the very least, try and get a test drive on a boat with the engine / drive combination that you are considering. If the only ones available all have bigger engines, there's probably a very good reason why...
 

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Would you have said the same thing about a 1996 EFI 5.7L? The MPI 5.0 puts out more.

The way I understand those engines would have the same HP at 260 each. The 5.7 of 1996 would still outperform the 5.0 of today.

Bravo 3 is the ONLY logical way to go in the boat that agallant is considering. The 5.0 is doable, because we are talking about a Stingray here. They perform better with less power than other boats.
 

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The 1996 5.7L EFI was available as a 220 and a 250. Why would either be stronger than a 260?
 

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The 1996 5.7L EFI was available as a 220 and a 250. Why would either be stronger than a 260?

EFI at 210hp? Really? That was always the 2bbl carb engine. And then later the 5.7EFIs were 260hp, as the 5.0EFIs of that vintage were 240hp. But we're arguing 10 mystery hp here. As far as why it would be better, because" there is no replacement for displacement." "No substitute for cubic inches." "Bigger is better."
But really, I dislike the the 3.74in piston size of the 305. I have never believed the hp numbers that Merc claims for that engine. Not when I grew up around those 1980s wimp 305s.
 

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I just don't think a Bravo 3 cares that much. No need to take this further, but the 5.0 of today should not be compared to a 5.0 2bbl of yesterday. It should be compared to a 4bbl stock 5.7, and I think it will compare favorably.
 

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Going to the B3 is one thing, but why skimp on a 5.0 and not go 5.7. I couldn't imagine putting a 5.0 in a 25' boat.

Bingo....For the luv of god you could lose 2 drive's and repelace them with SEI for less money. Dont know who suggested doing a bravo on a 260 hp boat but find another salesman...350 ...here

http://www.stingrayboats.com/products/reviews/tb5-95.html

SINGLE-PROP VS. TWIN-PROP
For the first test, the boat was powered with the MerCruiser 350 Magnum using the Alpha One single-prop drive. Theoretically, we expected this single-prop configuration to be the fastest and most efficient, because it has less lower unit and prop in the water to produce drag. And, sure enough, the performance charts show this to be the case. From the charts, we can see that this package was fastest, with a top speed of 50.6 mph, although the difference was slight, with only 0.4 seconds separating first from last. The charts also show it to be most fuel efficient, giving us 4.2 mpg at 3500 rpm and 36.0 mph. In our measured data, the only place the Alpha One drive finished less than tops was in acceleration from 0 to 30 mph where, as expected, it finished last. However, we were surprised that the Alpha's 7.4-second acceleration time was only 0.l-second longer than the second-place Volvo Penta Duoprop. The Alpha also had a slower planing time than both twin-prop units.

With the Alpha drive, the Stingray had a light and free-running feeling, crisp predictable cornering, and as is common with many vee-bottom hulls, a moderate tendency to wander from side to side at displacement speeds. Docking and handling maneuvers were easily controllable, and about as expected for a boat of this size. Overall, the 350 Magnum with an Alpha One drive is a very satisfactory package for the Stingray 719 zp.

Both the Duoprop and the Bravo Three twin-prop units exhibited the same handling characteristics. One attribute of twin-prop drives is that they provide a lot of stern lift, which helps the boat come on plane with much less tendency for the bow to rise. This also allows the hull to maintain a planing attitude at a lower speed. Once on plane, the trim system is less effective at bringing the bow up. Consequently, the boat has a much more glued-to-the-water feeling. Nonetheless, as our figures show, this has little effect on top speed. Other characteristics are that, with counter-rotating props, there is no tendency for the hull to list from side to side as trim angle is changed and there is a secure feel to the handling that just isn't there with single-prop drives. Cornering is another area where a twin-prop drive excels. While the Stingray 719 zp corners quite well with the single-prop Alpha One drive, when equipped with a twinprop drive, the boat maintains a tenacious grip on the water and it is nearly impossible to get the props to ventilate or make the boat slide sideways or spin out. Furthermore, you can take your hands off the steering wheel in a turn (although we do not recommend this) and it will still maintain its turning radius; the counter rotation of the props eliminates steering-wheel torque. So,even though the Alpha One was a shade faster, for overall performance we'd opt for a twin-prop drive.

Hmmm Stingray does not offer a Volvo drive
 

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One attribute of twin-prop drives is that they provide a lot of stern lift, which helps the boat come on plane with much less tendency for the bow to rise.
For the life of me, I don't know why they say this.....

Stern "lift" is not a function of the drive type, but a function of drive angle AND thrust. (ONLY)

A twin/contra-rotating drive can contribute to stern "lift" only because it produces FAR more thrust (because of approx 1/2 the slip of a single prop) at hole-shot .... AND only then if the (trim) is set IN far enough to provide thrust at a stern-lifting "ANGLE". (if the trim IN-limit blocks are installed you may not get a setting far enough IN to do it either.........I had to remove mine)
 

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Bingo....For the luv of god you could lose 2 drive's and repelace them with SEI for less money. Dont know who suggested doing a bravo on a 260 hp boat but find another salesman...350 ...here
Those of you suggesting that a Bravo 3 is not a good suggestion when there may be concern about time to plane, just haven't run either a Bravo 3 or a duo-prop. They can make a huge difference with what may be a marginal powerplant in a heavy boat. Most who have trouble to plane do not necessarily complain about speed once they are up and out. B3s and DPs solve that issue.
 

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Those of you suggesting that a Bravo 3 is not a good suggestion when there may be concern about time to plane, just haven't run either a Bravo 3 or a duo-prop. They can make a huge difference with what may be a marginal powerplant in a heavy boat. Most who have trouble to plane do not necessarily complain about speed once they are up and out. B3s and DPs solve that issue.

Yeah!.......Case in point is my current boat that had a "same" HP (actually 10 crankshaft hp MORE) single prop drive....... and now has a B-III

It was a literal "DOG" out of the hole before and now literally ROCKETS out of the hole, but is only 2-3 MPH slower.......the speed difference is insignificant......
 

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Intresting conversation and view points. All are experienced boater's with very valid points...But for the money a 5.7 with power trim tabs and propped correctly will cost less and should be far more performance oriented..hole shot...midrange and top end than any...any 5.0 and a bravo drive in a boat of that size.

So a little reading and i cant find a 5.0 with a alpha...Seem's merc is promoting something here..:D

http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/engine-tests/boat-house-bulletin/?ID=505&

Bravo 3 5.0

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