470 overheating

phughes69

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The boat is a 1979 Sea Ray with twin 470's and MR outdrives. Was out about a month ago and thought I had overheated the port engine which has a 3" heat exchanger. Coolant was puking out the overflow tank. Thought the head gasket was blown. All the spark plugs came out dry, pressure checked the cooling system and it held 14 lbs for 20 minutes. A leak down showed 10-15% on all cylinders. So it seemed the head gasket was ok. Pulled the outdrive off and found a chunk missing from 2 vanes. Replaced the whole water pump assembly in both outdrives. Shoved a wire and blew out the hose from the bellhousing to the hose connection at the transom plate. The bellows, and coolant hose in the bellhousing is new last year. Removed the 3" heat exchanger and found the two chunks. I replaced the 3" with a 4" heat exchanger. Made an adapter to bolt to the bellhousing to run the engine on the garden hose with the outdrive off. Ran the engine with new coolant and 4" heat exchanger for 20 minutes at 2000 rpm and the coolant newer got above 150. Had plenty of water flow out the exhaust. The port engine has an external alternator and the water cooled regulator is gone, so that wont be an issue. The engines got new points and timing set last year. The engines start up good and accelerate good so I dont think it is a timing issue. Was running the boat yesterday and the port engine got up to 190 while the starboard was at 150 at a cruise speed of 2000 rpm. If I let the port engine idle it cools off but takes a long time. Not sure what part to look at next.
 

Scott Danforth

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welcome aboard

I would still pull the head and replace the gasket.

Just running on the hose doesnt create heat.
 

shaw520

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The 470's have a history of leaky head gasket in #4 cyl,...if thats the case then the #4 plug should read a slightly lighter color than the other 3
 

kenny nunez

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3 Xs on the head gasket. Do not waste your time trying other fixes. Just be sure that the drive cooling systems to the heat exchangers are in good condition with no leaks where the supply of water is being lost. Also the heat exchanger tubes are all clear. All of this must be done so that the head gasket problem does not happen again.
 

phughes69

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The engines were rebuilt about 10 years ago and have 200 hours on them. The heat exchanger is new. The water pump in the drive is new. The hose from the bellhousing to the transom assembly is new.
 

2fishy4u

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I have a 80 searay with twin 470's. Both remanufactured within the last 2 years. one has 135 hours the other 250. I have had around 7 heating issues over the last year. It really could be anything. From a slightly kinked hose, to A bad temp sender, something sucked up in the drive. A tube or 2 plugged in the H.E. And yes I have replaced a head gasket recently also. Your either real lucky with these things, or like me eventually you turn and run. I just gave up on my boat this weekend after ANOTHER heating issue. Brand new impeller, and out of nowhere I loose all water flow. If I keep going it would be the 4th time pulling into a yard for repairs this year. I am actually going to scrap it and sell parts. Good luck with yours, I know Bondo has had great luck with these engines. But I cant afford to keep the faith lol
 

Bondo

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I know Bondo has had great luck with these engines.

Nope,.... Yer mistaken,..... I'd paddle before I owned, or even worked on a 470,....

Stoney, 'n a few others 'round here like 'em,.... I'm not in that crowd,... actually quite the opposite,.....

I usually recommend that if a poster can get it runnin' to Sell it,.... while it's runnin',..... ;)
 

Blueghost924

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Nope,.... Yer mistaken,..... I'd paddle before I owned, or even worked on a 470,....

Same with me. I've owned a 470 before...worked on it quite a bit. Now I have a 1986 V-8 350 with the quad-jet and love it compared to the 470. I think I have some 470 spare parts in my storage shed I should put up for sale....
 

shaw520

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Guys guys,..you're all going to give our new member here a complex,... lets say some nice things about the 470,.....ready,......hmmmm,.. well it half of ford 460 block,....its a torguey little work horse when they run,..its got big ol' pistons in that puppy,...the internal alternator/water cooled stator was problematic and extremely expensive to repair,... but the fact remains that they all had overheating issues....I tried Phughs
 
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