4.3L running terrible after tune up

scottkanderson

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Hi, I have a1986 omc 4.3L with gm engine, stringer outdrive. It was running good, and then I changed the oil, plugs, plug wires, points, and cap. I checked the dwell before I started this and it was at 29, should be 39.

I put in new points and set the dwell to 39, changed the rest of the stuff, put 15 gallons of gas in it and went to the lake.

It started good and started to head out, sounded good until about 2500rpms, and then was running bad and would not go faster than 7 mph, as i gave it more gas, the engine got louder like it was trying to go faster but the rpms would not go above 3000 and ran really rough. Never would go faster than 7 mph. I put it in neutral and reved the engine and the same thing occurred at 3000 rpms, and would not go above that.

Took it home, tried the old plugs and wires, and same thing happened, checked dwell and it was still right at 39. Tried putting the dwell to 29 where it was when i started, and still the same problem. Could the timing be causing this much problem, I don't have a timing light, and have never messed with the timing in the 4 yrs I have had this boat.

When I was hooking up the starter switch I 1st hooked it up to the coil, and positive batter terminal, and pushed the button, I did this to both of the coil terminals before i realized that it need to be on the solenoid. Could this have messed up the coil? and if so, would it cause this type of problem?

I had a problem just like this one other time, someone at the lake sold me 10 gallons of gas out of containers, and it had the same exact symptoms. That time I just cruzed around the lake for 3 hrs and it finally started running good. This time it was gas from the station, so i don't think it was bad, but the other 1/4 tank in there was from last yr, but had been treated and was running good the other 3 times I went out this yr. Could have the new gas mixing with the old cause a problem? I always put in the lowest octane, but this time I put in the mid grade, but that should not change things.

Ok, what could cause this, timing? bad coil? or bad gas?
 

fuzzybob

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

Check the plug wires. You may have crossed a couple.
 

bruceb58

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

Check...double check...triple check the spark plug wires. Make sure you have them in the correct firing order. You also HAVE to check the timing after you adjust the dwell. The dwell affects the timing.
 

scottkanderson

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

Yeah, i have checked the plug wires, that is what i thought it was at 1st, no luck there.
 

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

Check timing, And maybe you broke some spark plugs going in, did you set the gap? pull the plug wire and wiggle each plug to see if they move or feel loose or here them cracking at all.
 

dodgezilla04

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

i have almost the same problem, same engine. the engine doesnt seem to make as much power as before. freshly(shop) rebuilt carb, new cap, rotor, wires, and plugs, new filters. it has 1/2tank of gas from last year and 1/2 tank of 92 octane from yesterday. if i put it to full throttle, it will ocasionally pop through the carb. the only thing i havent done is points. will points cause an intermittent popping?
 

Bt Doctur

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

For now, screw the dwell values.
Take a matchbook and set the points on the high side of a lobe. The matchbook is about .018-.020 .Again check spark plug firing order and then double check it.It if ran good before, then you did something to change it.
Go back and double check your work.
 

bruceb58

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

Just for future reference...always do one thing at a time. Change the spark plugs...start the boat. Change the points...start the boat...

If you do one thing at a time, it is easier to figure out what caused the problem.
 

scottkanderson

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

Ok, I got it running much better, but your right about the one thing at a time, I changed the fuel/water separator, and forgot that I had just put on a big fuel filter last time because they did not have the separator. When I took that off, i poured the gas into the new filter and at the bottom it had orange globules in it. I did not pour that part in the new filter. Then I put in another set of points. After I did this it started running good, now I don't know which it was. Oh well, its working.

As long as we are talking tune ups, I have 2 Questions.

1. How do you turn the air fuel mixture screws? There is no way to get at them because the thermostat housing and hoses are in the way. My engine is running rich and need to adjust them, is there a special tool like a sideways electric screwdriver or something, and which way would i turn them to lean down the engine. I know your supposed to turn them all the way in, and then out 1 1/2 turns and start from there, but i will be lucky if i can get them to move a 1/4 turn.

2. I have a timing light coming, to check the timing do I need to remove vacuum hoses and plug them? Or can I just hook the light to the battery, and #1 spark plug wire and test without messing with vacuum and other things?
 

scottkanderson

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

I guess i should start another post, I just thought that would be a quick answer.

Thanks everybody for your help, I love this forum and would not be able to own a boat without it. I live 120 for mechanic, and 65 miles from parts store. thanks for everything
 

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

I guess i should start another post, I just thought that would be a quick answer.

Thanks everybody for your help, I love this forum and would not be able to own a boat without it. I live 120 for mechanic, and 65 miles from parts store. thanks for everything
Here is a link to the tool you need to adjust the carb I use the long flex one. it's #4 in the photo. Since you live so far from any help it looks like you can order it up. good luck.http://www.bizrate.com/search__keyword--carburetor+adjusting+tools.html
 

Jeepster04

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Re: 4.3L running terrible after tune up

I would still check the timing just to make sure its ok. There is no use in plugging the vacuum unless you think you have a vacuum leak. Then adjusting the idle/fuel mixture screws will not change much.

Is it running rich when youre going down the lake or at idle? As far as I know adjusting those screws only adjusts the fuel mixture at idle. If its running rich under load then the float isnt set correctly.

It not running the best at 3,000 could of been a fuel problem, makes perfect sense.
 
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