4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

RVguy99

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Hi all,

I recently purchased a 1997 Four Winns Horizon RX (this is the Horizon 180 now). It has the Volvo/Penta Cobra SX outdrive. The boat was owned by a doctor and maintained by a local shop including a couple weeks ago right before I purchased it, when he had a new water pump installed along with an oil change and spring tune/lube done.

The boat came with a full tank of fuel. According to the shop that did the work, which I visited, the prior owner did not use the boat last season, meaning there is some old fuel in there. The reason I asked this is because it does not seem to have much holeshot power, and occasionally will backfire, particularly when reducing RPM's from cruising or higher down to a lower speed.

For the power and weight of this boat it should get out of the hole pretty quickly I would think. The shop owner tells me to be patient, it will get better particularly after getting a new tank of fuel. But I drove it around for an hour and the gauge barely moved. The power and speed did seem to improve quite a bit the more I drove it, but still not where it should be.

The boat tops out in the low-mid 40's per the lie-o-meter on the dash, but the shop tells me that as long as WOT returns an RPM in the range of 4200-4400 that it's running fine. The boat gets to nearly 4400rpm on WOT depending on how the trim is set.

I looked long and hard for a V6 boat in immaculate condition (like this one) because I want to be able to slalom ski behind it. But based on what I see so far my arms will not be able to tolerate being dragged in the water long enough for me to pop out, due to the low holeshot power of the boat.

What should I do? Should I add a fuel additive to this tank of fuel, and try to burn it off? It's going to take me an entire day based on how slowly it's burning fuel.

It does really purr like a kitten once it reaches whatever speed, and maintains it nicely. No missing, hesistation, etc.
 

Don S

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

What model is it, a 4.3GL, GS, or Gi?
 

RVguy99

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

I'm almost positive it is the GL. And it is a carb engine, not EFI.
 

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

You need to find out which it is. If it's a GS, (also carbed) it has a 4400 to 4800 WOT rpm.
 

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

This might help, is it a 2 or 4 bbl carb ?
 

RVguy99

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

OK, it's the 4.3GL. Sorry for the confusion. The boat is at the storage yard at the moment...
 

RVguy99

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

Any ideas from some of the experts here? I'm mechanically inclined but this is my first boat so I'm really trying to learn a lot at once...
 

dannyual767

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

I'll throw in my thoughts on your situation. The easiest thing to focus on right now is the old gas in the tank. You have to assume that the Dr. filled up with ethanol gas and did not use a fuel stabilizer. This would result in a tank of pretty nasty stuff after all of that time.

You say that you ran your boat for an hour and the gas gauge barely moved. That doesn't surprise me since my 5.0GL powered boat has a 35 gal tank and it's gas gauge will barely move (in 1 hr) after being completely full. With my boating style/habits/technique, I burn 5 gals per hour. In other words, you probably only burned about 5 gals of old, nasty gas. Burn more of it out or siphon 5-10 gals (or more) and refill with new gas. The more you can burn/remove, the better.

Do you really know what the shop did when they "serviced" the boat? Has the ignition timing been checked? Timing way off would cause a loss of power and backfiring. Were the plugs inspected or replaced? I guess I'm skeptical on what that shop actually did.

What pitch prop is on your boat? What pitch prop was supposed to originally be on the boat? Perhaps the Dr. installed something with too much pitch killing your low end punch. That wouldn't cause the backfiring, though.
 

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

Since you just got the boat, are you using the trim properly? Start off with the drive all the way down, this keeps the bow lower and raises the stern quicker. Then as the boat picks up speed, raise the drive.
 

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

Yes, I've had the trim all the way down most times, or very close, when starting from a dead stop.

I appreciate the feedback and advice so far. Regarding the gas, is there anything I could add to it that might help mitigate the problem if in fact the problem is old or bad fuel??
 

vfrkent

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

Add a couple of bottles of Chevron Techron 20oz bottles to the tank and then add Stabil marine fuel stabilizer to the fuel, that should take care of the stale fuel and clean up the carb and combustion chamber.

Regards,
Kent
 

craze1cars

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

I'm not a huge additive fan. You could also simply siphon the old fuel out of there to speed up the process of freshening it up...run a hose thru the drain hole in the bilge, disconnect the filler hose right at the tank, stick it in there, and siphon it out into SEVERAL gas cans (no smoking! LOL). Burn it off a bit at a time in your cars or lawnmowers. But refill the boat fresh. That's what I'd do if I had many gallons of gas known to be more than 1 year old...

FWIW you are in the lower range of your target RPM. This is not good for holeshot/slalom takeoffs. Pretty sure your motor recommends 4,200 to 4,600? If yes, strive for 4,600. That will maximize your holeshot.

Reaching that figure may mean replacing the prop. If you currently have 3 blade prop that is only reaching "almost 4,400", you will benefit greatly if you change to a 4 blade prop that reaches a true 4,600. I assure you that you will feel the difference, and a basic 4 blade aluminum prop can be had in the $150 range so it doesn't cost too much...

But first, I'll echo what has been said already. That's great you got the perfect "new to you" boat...but it is 14 years old. So make sure you get it running perfect and confirm you don't have a bad fuel problem, and/or confirm if it possibly needs a basic tune-up (ignition system? Did the "spring tune" include new plugs, new wires, new distributor cap, new rotor, set timing, throttle cable adjustment?? If no, assume all that stuff is now 14 years old and therefore needs to be done.) Carb? Running large amounts of old fuel thru a 14 year old carb tells me it might be time for a carb cleaning? Backfiring at higher RPMS tells me it's running lean....a sign of possibly partailly plugged jets?

But if your RPMS are STILL low with fresh gas/fresh comprehensive tune, move over to the propeller section of this forum and get some more specific advise for propping over there...

According the the Four Winns website, your rig was advertised to hit 46-48 mph top speed. If tuned and propped correctly, it should do this. You sound a bit below that figure...so it's either the gas, the powertrain, or the prop...only you can figure out which it is.
 

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Re: 4.3 Volvo/Penta SX - Is it OK?

Add a couple of bottles of Chevron Techron 20oz bottles to the tank and then add Stabil marine fuel stabilizer to the fuel, that should take care of the stale fuel and clean up the carb and combustion chamber.
Does Fuel stabilizer really halp on stale fuel? I thought it only helps to stabilize the fuel from decomposing into lower grade elements, but it wouldn't reverse the process.
The Techron would help to clean out injectors, but will it really help on a carb?
What probably would help, is Star brite Star Tron Gasoline Additive, which has enzimes to bind the water (from the ethanol in the fuel) with the fuel, rather than separating them so it won't kill your combustion.
 
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