2bbl to 4bbl conversion - is it worth it?

MikeK2B

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Hi, for a while, i've been thinking of converting my 93 OMC Ford 302 with a 2bbl holley carb to a 4bbl system. I found one post that said one might actually get better fuel effiecency with a 4bbl. Is that just a pipe dream? Can anyone clarify? Also, what are the major pros and cons of switching to a 4bbl? Should I have a preference for the brand of carb, other than one that is marinized? As for the manifold, the post mentioned cast iron?, would a intake off of a late 60's 289/302 do it? EXAMPLE Also, what is better for a marine application, dual or single plane intakes? Thanks!
 

tmclendon

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Re: 2bbl to 4bbl conversion - is it worth it?

Oh man that's a lot of questions.<br /><br />First: Whatever you do, get a marine carb. Auto carb can slosh fuel which will collect in the bilge and can RUIN your day.<br /><br />Personally I prefer holley, because they are pretty simple to work on. Rochesters work fine, but it takes a pro to rebuild one. Keep in mind you'll need an external fuel filter if you go with a holley. BTW expect to pay close to $500 for a new marine 4v carb.<br /><br />Fuel milage. You can get a bit better milage with a 4v because (usually) the 2 primary barrels are somewhat smaller than a 2v carb. BUT if you run fast enough so that the secondaries open, forget it, you'll get worse milage. Or if you do a lot of full-throttle starts (and who doesn't?).<br /><br />As for the power gain, it won't be as much as you think, unless your 2v is not adjusted properly or needs rebuilding. Maybe 15-30hp. My opinion: Not worth it, unless you need to replace the old carb and manifold anyway. Be warned that you can easily loose performance if the carb is not properly matched/jetted. Don't put a 750DP on a 302 (unless you are gonna run 8000 RPM). Probably a 450 would be fine, MAYBE a 600. In fact I think Holley makes a 450 specifically for the 302 Ford marine application.<br /><br />Aluminum vs. Cast Iron: Well with Aluminum you get better designs for performance, They are a few pound lighter, but possible corrosion problems, espically in salt water. Iron you got possible rust problems. My opinion: Iron for salt water, Alum for fresh.<br /><br />Single plane vs 2-plane. Generally, single plane gets you better high-RPM horsepower, 2-plan gets you better low-end torque. If you pull skiiers a lot and need torque, go for a 2-plane, otherwise a single plane is probably better for marine apps. The cam profile can affect this as well, but that's another big bucket of worms.<br /><br />Good luck!<br /><br />Tom
 

magster65

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Re: 2bbl to 4bbl conversion - is it worth it?

Whew, that's a lot of answers! I agree with snakebit on all of it.
 

drgaul

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Re: 2bbl to 4bbl conversion - is it worth it?

mikek2b I agree with snake bit. there is also acouple other things you might think about. your carb is it ford or holley if it is a ford carb it is prob-a 350cfm unit. holley makes a 500cfm that will bolt right up, watch the jetting though. also holleys can leak from gaskets shrinking, look at a holley fuel bowl the gasket is always in contact with the fuel and if it sits for a long time!!!! carter 4b afb carbs from edelbrock they have a 500cfm unit and it won"t leak as bad. you still have to jet them like all carb swaps. snake bit is right in terms of fuel saving's and horse power ganes it ain't worth it. if you do this follow what snake bit said and keep in mind what i have written also log on to summitracing.com-call for there ideas. through the hull exhaust may help as much, im told the exhaust through the prop is very restrictive. just an idea.don't forget the flame areaster air filter.drg :p
 

Bondo

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Re: 2bbl to 4bbl conversion - is it worth it?

I Also Agree with Snake Bit...... To a Point....<br /><br />I Think the Carter AFB, or the Edelbrock in the 600cfm would be The carb to get... Super Easy to tune,+ Can't Leak..... The gasket is Above the Fuel level.... a 302 at 5000rpms can move about 500+CFMs.... The 600cfm will be right in the Sweet Spot.... The Carter sells for about $250. + the Edelbrock for about $300...<br /><br />DON'T use a Single-plane manifold.... You'll Never turn that motor Fast Enough for it to work Well.... A Dual-Plane is the Only Answer.....
 

FreeBeeTony

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Re: 2bbl to 4bbl conversion - is it worth it?

I am in the process of rebuilding a '67 Mercruiser 160. Bored out the block .030 over, new pistons, rings, bearings, recond the head/valves, converting to HEI distributor, etc....The engine is a GM 250cui, IL6, everybody says this is a great engine. It's very simple/easy to work on. I found a 1.65:1 pre-Alpha drive on ebay and will install new gaskets and water pump. Sounds like I am doing what you might need to do. It's kinda fun if you enjoy this kinda stuff. The parts seem readily available for this engine...
 

bluewater19

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Re: 2bbl to 4bbl conversion - is it worth it?

I am new to this forum but have just completed a similar coversion. I replaced the 2bbl on my 19' bluewater 4.3 mercruiser. with a volvo 4bbl setup Holley 600 cfm vac secondary and castiron intake. my top speed went up from 40 mph to 44mph at wot. wot rpm went up from 4300 to 4500 with the same prop. The biggest difference I felt was with the hole shot. it used to stumble coming out of the hole(carb needed to be rebuilt.) now it comes right out of the hole no problem. also I cruise at around 25-30 mph and have noticed that the fuel cosumption is pretty close to the same. I don't have a fuel flow gauge so I can't really tell. I don't know how well it would work on a v-8 boat motor since I have only worked on cars in the past, but I am quite pleased with the results in my case.
 
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