225 Evinrude Starting problem

MakoMike

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1988 225 evinrude hard start/no start in salt water but will start & run fine on fresh water earmuffs. Local mechanic baffled. Any help, PLEASE! Once motor finally started in the water (salt) it runs fine. okinnie@aol.com :confused:
 

Dhadley

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

Try the old 4 step deal;<br />1) Pump the bulb.<br />2) Turn the key to the "on" position <br />3) Push in the key to open primer and count to 8 or so.<br />4) Turn the key to the start position.<br /><br />And -- FRESH 87 octane with good oil and Champion plugs. <br /><br />Good luck!
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

Thanks for the tips - but...doesn't explain why motor starts right up on the earmuffs (fresh water) but refuses to cooperate on cold start when the boat is in the water. Boat is at local mech.shop - THEY can't get it to start in the water. Any suggestions also welcome on reliable mechs. okinnie@aol.com
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

More info please......<br /><br />won't start means what:<br /><br />>won't crank?<br />>cranks slow?<br />>cranks but no ignition?<br />>cranks but won't fire?<br />>cranks, starts, stalls?<br />>is the compression borderline low?
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

On the rear of the engine there should two holes midway up the engine , these are exhaust relief holes.When the boat is in the water and hard to start are these holes under water?
 

MakoMike

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

compression fine - engine cranks fine,recent o/haul just before I bought the boat. First trip to shop new harness [key switch & alarm & control harness] vro pump and carbs o/hauled. At the ramp [cold] very hard to start. It cranks then "lean sneezes" cuts off. After 20 minutes or so it's running but not right, back to shop. Blown intake gasket. Back to ramp, again it is very hard to start, backfires when cranked hot or cold. You can hook motor up to the muffs and it starts up and idles fine. Now it wont start at all in the water. any ideas?
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

Time to find a more "savvy" shop... If it's backfiring, that indicates a timing problem such as a spun or loose sensor magnet. (that could also be the reason for the prior overhaul). Remove all spark plugs, insert the eraser end of a long pencil into cylinder #1 (thats top starboard as you're standing behind the motor looking forward) - hold the pencil with one hand and turn the flywheel with the other hand. Index the flywheel by bringing #1 piston to top-dead-center (TDC). The piston will push the pencil out of the plug hole. When the pencil stops moving out, you're at (approximately) TDC, then make a mark (#1) on the flywheel in front of the timing pointer (white-out works well). Repeat the procedure for the remaining 5 cylinders, labeling your marks 2,3,4,5,6.<br /><br />Hook up a timing light to #1 spark plug lead and have a helper turn the engine over at the key switch. Look to see if the mark you made is close to the timing pointer (it should be). Repeat the procedure for the remaining 5 cylinders (hook the timing light to #2, 3, etc). If its not, you'll have to remove the flywheel and inspect the magnet on the center hub - it may be loose or it could have locked it self back on, but out of its correct position. <br /><br />-John<br /><br />BTW - one final thought, a sheared flywheel key could cause the same symptom. When you bring #1 cylinder to TDC, the timing pointer should be almost perfectly lined up with the cast in TDC mark on the flywheel.
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

MakoMike are the exhuast relief holes under water when the boat is in the water? Speaking from experience I have a 115 Johnson and if I trim the engine all the way down at the dock and try to start it it's a B***h. If I trim it up so the holes are out of the water it starts fine. This might not be your problem but try it first unless you like paying shop rates.Those holes are there to allow the engine to exhale. If there under water the engine has the exhaust through water and creates big back pressure making the motor run poorly.
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

What are the compression numbers, and what did a cold spark test look like? I helped a guy get a 225 going at exit 40 off of I75 down about 15 blocks. The local shop in Venice had reglued half of the magnets in backwards. It starts on the hose, because it has no backpressure, probley would start on 2 cylinders.
 
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**** may be on to something with the exhaust relief ports being buried under water.<br /><br />Also, If the boat is at a steep angle, float levels may be an issue-lean mixture.
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

Compression was all within 5 lbs. What is "cold spark test"? When engine does run, it runs really good. Have life long experience with automotive engines and I/O - this is my first outboard. Really appreciate all the help. Will be touching base with the mech. tomorrow. If he doesn't have the right answers, I guess I'll be bringing it back home!
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

MACKOMIKE ARE YOU THERE!!!!!!<br />DO YOU HERE ME! WHERE ARE HE EXHAUST RIELFS ? UNDER WATER?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

Spark test, should jump a 3/8 to 1/2 inch gap. I think this engine has Quick Start, when cold starts on 1 set of sensors, and when warm switches to run sensors. You need to start where JOHN said , with the flywheel.
 

MakoMike

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

John from Illnois seems to be on to something. Spoke with mech. today - and he said looks like at o/haul prior to purchase a "large looper" fly wheel assembly was installed on my "small looper" evinrude. WHATS A LOOPER!!!???? Does this make sense? He said motor had 11 degrees retarded timing making it almost imposible to start. Taking boat to ramp Saturday morning for sea trials-assuming it starts. Thanks for sticking with me - I'll let you know the outcome. P.S to **** from earth-reliefs are out of the water and at 1:15 am I'm sound asleep in bed! But thanks for caring.
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

The pn for the flywheel is 583427 and the timing at idle is 6 degrees ATDC(retarded).
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

MakoMike-<br /><br />Have you heard anything yet - what's the verdict??<br /><br />-John
 

MakoMike

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

Sorry it took so long to report - unfortunately I have to work for a living and can only really get to the boat on weekends. <br />Took her out last Sunday for a short trip before the sky opened up (weather channel promised a sunny day - go figure) Seems to be much easier to start - I'll have to learn what it likes. Ran much quieter with no vibration (didn't realize how much it was doing before - until it went away.) Idled smoothly, sounded much healhier.<br />Going to take her out again tommorow for a second run. Will let you know how it goes. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Takes some of the mystery out dealing with mech. and outboards in general.
 

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

What did your tech do or replace MakoMike??<br /><br />-John
 

MakoMike

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Re: 225 Evinrude Starting problem

John -<br /><br />He replaced the flywheel - the flywheel he took off was domed - (said was a large looper flywheel) and replaced it with a flat (small looper) flywheel. Was a used flywheel he had and he reglued magnets let sit overnight to dry, installed it on the motor. Really starts a lot better in the water. Starting to understand the combustion concept of a "looper" - what's the difference between a large looper and a small looper and is it easy to mistake the two?<br /><br />MakoMike
 
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