2004 5.0 MPI Fuel Pressure drops just above idle

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Fuel line clear from tank to to pump, change the anti siphon valve, it was restricting fuel, this also started with back fire and wouldn't plane out. I have 37psi fuel pressure @ idle and as soon as I start raising the rpms the fuel pressure drops. Any ideas?
 

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Fuel line clear from tank to to pump, change the anti siphon valve, it was restricting fuel, this also started with back fire and wouldn't plane out. I have 37psi fuel pressure @ idle and as soon as I start raising the rpms the fuel pressure drops. Any ideas?

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What is your engine serial number?

First thought is your pressure regulator
 
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Fuel line clear from tank to to pump, change the anti siphon valve, it was restricting fuel, this also started with back fire and wouldn't plane out. I have 37psi fuel pressure @ idle and as soon as I start raising the rpms the fuel pressure drops. Any ideas?

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What is your engine serial number?

First thought is your pressure regulator
 

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Fuel line clear from tank to to pump, change the anti siphon valve, it was restricting fuel, this also started with back fire and wouldn't plane out. I have 37psi fuel pressure @ idle and as soon as I start raising the rpms the fuel pressure drops. Any ideas?

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What is your engine serial number?

First thought is your pressure regulator
 

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2004 Mercruiser 5.0 MPI Serial#0W032043 Misfire & no top end?

Fuel pressure drops when rpm's are raised above idle but were staying at 36 psi @ 1800 rpms this afternoon.
 

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Seeing your other post and serial number (0W032043), your pressure is close but may not be high enough. Your fuel pressure should be 43psi at 1800 rpm.
 

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Seeing your other post and serial number (0W032043), your pressure is close but may not be high enough. Your fuel pressure should be 43psi at 1800 rpm.
 

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Seeing your other post and serial number (0W032043), your pressure is close but may not be high enough. Your fuel pressure should be 43psi at 1800 rpm.
 

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I changed fuel pressure regulator on fuel rail & nothing changed. I am going to test power on boost pump this morning.
 

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What about your fuel filter? Something is either restricting fuel coming to the pump, pressure is not getting enough or your pump is not producing enough flow. Have you checked for any codes?

When the fuel pressure drops and it stalls can you fire it right back up and the pressure comes back up?
 

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There is a fuel pressure relief valve on the fuel rail and a pressure regulator on the fuel pump. Which one did you replace?

Put a vacuum gauge on the intake and see what your getting. Should be 15 - 21 inhg
 

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I changed the anti siphon valve, fuel filters, checked all hoses from tank to boost pump. I changed the relief on the fuel rail. The one in the cooling system looks like motor would have to be pulled out to change. Why they would put that way down under the engine mount and tight against the structure of the boat is beyond me.
 

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I changed fuel pressure regulator on fuel rail & nothing changed.
Hi there, That's a fuel pressure damper for rail pressure not a regulator. It has no effect on fuel pressure with this system.

The regulator is the fun one to reach down by the fuel pump.:behindsofa:

Blocking off the return fuel line from the high pressure pump will help test to see if your high pressure pump is able to build/maintain enough pressure to do it's job.

Also does your fuel pressure go up roughly 3-5 psi when you remove the black vacuum hose off of the regulator? It's supposed to when all is working normal.

On the low pressure pump, sometimes the screen on the inlet side will get clogged up. Also if you have an inline mercruiser fuel filter before the low psi pump, it could be bad or clogged as well. Then you have your screw on water separating fuel filter that looks like an oil filter to inspect.

Keep us updated, good luck.:)
 

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I went & checked power at both pumps, fuses & relays. All checked out good! If I just turn the key in the on position and cycle the pumps my fuel pressure is 40psi, then to start the engine the fuel pressure drops to approximately 34, unplug vacuum line & I get 2 or 3 psi more on gauge. It seems that fuel pressure drop by the fuel schematic is from the fpr the one that is in a terrible location is just letting fuel circulate from main pump back to water separator filter head and just make that circle over & over instead of going up to the fuel rail. I have checked for blockage from the screen on the pick up tube, installed new anti siphon valve, inline filter had no restrictions, installed new water separator filter, made sure old seal ring was off filter head & applied oil on new filter seal. I also used thread sealant (liquid type) on all fittings at the tank & anti siphon valve. I will try and get my hose crimp plastic pliers down on that return line & reinstall my gauge for that test. I hope I can change that fuel pressure regulator without having to lift the engine out. It's tight against the hull in this ebbtide. I read a post where paint came off the inside of the cooling system and made the regulator fail. Thanks for your help.


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Those pressure was at an idle, if I rev the engine up the pressure drops and you can tell the engine is lacking fuel.
 

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The paint problem doesn't apply to your engine model/fuel system.;):)
 

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I went back to the boat for a few more test. I blocked the return line & no change in pressure. I pulled the boost pump and it pumps a great stream if 7-8 psi is correct it's good I didn't put a gauge on it. I removed the inlet line on the boost pump & there was NOTHING in the screen it looked brand new. Let me know your thoughts please. I am leaning towards pulling the engine replacing hp pump regulator and I should probably go ahead and put a drive coupler in why I am already in there this boat is almost 10 years old.
 

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I went back to the boat for a few more test. I blocked the return line & no change in pressure. I pulled the boost pump and it pumps a great stream if 7-8 psi is correct it's good I didn't put a gauge on it. I removed the inlet line on the boost pump & there was NOTHING in the screen it looked brand new. Let me know your thoughts please. I am leaning towards pulling the engine replacing hp pump regulator and I should probably go ahead and put a drive coupler in why I am already in there this boat is almost 10 years old.

Blocking the return line and no change in pressure is telling me your high pressure pump is bad. When you block the return line this takes the regulator out of the mix.
 

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Don't look like they sale just the pump anymore. I have to buy the cooling kit.
 
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