2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

jvstratman

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I purchased this engine new from local dealer in 2003. It always displayed rough idle from the beginning. The dealer informed me that it wasn't uncommon for this OB and I accepted his explanation.

A separate issue that it had (and still does) is sometimes (most times actually) the indicator light will stay lit until I stop/re-start the engine. Yes - It runs very rough (limits RPM) until I get rid of the light. I brought that to his attention and he claimed to have changed something but, the problem still exists. I should have persisted but, I learned to deal with it and thought it wasn't a big deal.

In 2005 the timing pulley bolt unscrewed itself @ WOT which caused the engine to shut down. I managed to figure out that the hash marks probably needed aligned to get it running again. The first attemp was 180 deg out and then it fired up and I was back in business.

I'm not certain if the vibration began after the timing belt incident or if it's been getting progressivly worse over time. The prop is like new and I think it's safe to rule it out.

The carb is immaculate. Soaked and blown out w/ compressed air. I always un-plug and run out fuel near dock.
The compression on each cyclinder is 165 PSI.
The fuel tank, bulb, hoses all work perfect on my Tohatsu 20 HP 4 Stroke so I ruled them out.
Spark plugs are new NGK's
The valve gaps (cold) are in spec.

BTW, the reason i'm focusing on the 18 HP is because the 20 HP runs so smooth. I'm on a mission to make the 18 run as smoothly as the 20.

Another part that was just recently replaced (by me) was the Auto-By-Starter. Mine was stuck in the extended position.

I'm starting to believe the timing is off. It sounds like a John Deere @ 900 RPM but the plugs are dry and not burnt.

Can a faulty CD unit cause severe rough idle and vibration?

Could I have damaged a valve when the timing belt came off @ WOT? If so, why does the compression check out?

I purchased the Service Manual for the new 20 HP and assumed that all of the timing alignment marks coincide for the 18 HP.

What would happen if I tried the 2013 MFS20CEFL CD unit on the 2003 MFS18B2? The part numberes are the same execpt for the 3 digit prefixs and the 20 HP went back to a manual choke so there would be extra wires. Also, I think the charging system is little stronger on the 20. I hate to shell out the $$ for a CD unit on a misguided hunch but I don't want to fry my new one either.

I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction with some troubleshooting tips that I've overlooked or not thought of.

Thanks for your time and a great forum.
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

It should not idle rough. It should not need a restart to clear the oil pressure light. yes, you could have a bad valve after throwing the timing out. No, the 20 hp CD is not the same.

Diagnose. Get the Factory service manual, and see what the actual oil poressure is; you could have a faulty sender or a problem with the CD... or it could really have low pressure. Likewise, you can check compression as you did, and a bent valve would show up as a compression issue. No, the manual for the 20C is a different manual. The 18 is the big brother of the 9.9/15. The CD checks will be different, as you have the ABS, for example.
 
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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

The dealer from 2003 is an idiot.
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

The dealer from 2003 is an idiot.

True, but at this point, he needs to get it working. Perhaps a different dealer could help. I know one in Buffalo, which isn't that far from western PA :)
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

Also check the cam timing, maybe you're a tooth off on the timing belt?
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

Thinking back on his (original dealer) statement regarding vibration at low RPM and my re-discovering the "Wasted Spark" with both pistons in unison design gives slight credence to benifit of doubt for him but, if my MFS20CEFL operates the same way and idles perfectly then - yea, he's an idiot.

Question - Does lining up the crank "o" with the cam's pulley #1 or being 180 deg from #1 matter regarding performance? It'll run either way.

I adjusted the idle to 1000 RPM and it idles better. Not sure if the Pike will respect the faster troll.

I put a new SOLAS prop on it and hi-RPM (on the water) vibration has reduced dramatically. I can't see any physical anomalies with the original prop but, apparently I bumped something.

Paul, visiting you has crossed my mind. I'm making headway but, if the wife says "Throw me over (I mean take me to) the falls", I'll drop it off.
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

the cam spins at 1/2 the RPM of the crank, so the marks will change.check the manual and it will tell you how to line up the marks for proper timing. It will also tell you the proper idle speed.
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

Your original dealer was not correct (putting it mildly). The 18B is supposed to have a very smooth idle.

There are 2 marks on the cam pulley: one for cylinder 1 TDC, and another for cylinder 2 TDC. There is a single mark on the crank pulley for TDC. Regardless, TDC is TDC... they fire alternately, but the TDC is identical (TDC-compression vs TDC-exhaust). You can set the crank pulley for either, and once it goes 360, it will be aligned with the other cylinder. But you must verify that you aren't accidentally off one tooth.

1000 RPM idle in N is a little fast; in F, it's a lot fast. Might be OK for the 8/9.8, but the 9.9/15/18 has more moving mass, and should not need to be that fast.

Your original prop may have had a flaw in balance. Is the new prop 3 or 4 blades? Still, in N, the prop won't affect the idle smoothness.
 
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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

Paul,

Now i'm more confused. I assumed that since the coil pac has only 2 wires (signal & ground) then it must fire both plugs simultaneously, ie; wasted spark configuration. The orange and black wires make up the primary coil and read resistance between them so, don't they have to fire together? What am I missing?

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

Paul,

After further thought, I think I understand what your saying regarding "Firing alternately". Both plugs fire every time but, the fuel/air is drawn into only 1 cylinder at a time?
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

Correct. Each cylinder fires near TDC, both on compression, and the "wasted" spark on exhaust. Valve timing determines which cylinder has fuel mix, and which is exhausting.
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

It idles very smooth now @ 1000 RPM. 900 was extremely rough. So rough in fact, that the motor would jerk to the right when trolling. You would have to literally hold the tiller to keep it centered even with the lock tensioned. Makes me wonder if one of the starting de-compressors isn't working properly. Do they act strictly upon centrifugal force or does oil pressure assist them?

The new prop is 3 blades.

Thanks Paul
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

Did you check the cam timing to be sure you're not off by a tooth? Also has that motor got 1 carburetor or 2? Multiple carbs out of sync can have that effect on idle.
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

All timing marks align.
1 carb

What RPM is required to free spin the exhaust valve easy-start de-compressors on the MFS18B2?
 

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Re: 2003 Tohatsu 18HP 4 Stroke rough idle and vibration @ WOT

Idle spec in N, 950-1000; in F, 900.
If oil light is lit, ESG is 2000 (buzzer on if Remote model); if unlit, 6250.
Decompressor engages/disengages at 500 RPM, and works via centrifical weights on the cam.
All Tohatsu 2-cylinder 4-strokes are single carbs.
 
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