2003 Suzuki DF140 Nothing Out of Telltale.

Kola16

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Not my boat, but I am trying to help fix it. The serial number is 14001F-422077. 2003 Suzuki DF140 4-stroke.

The engine is not peeing even with revving the engine and letting it warm up. It is not overheating the block, but we still need water out the telltale. We thought that the system could be clogged with debris or corrosion deposits since the anodes were basically gone from being corroded away. The anodes have now been replaced. The engine and accessible channels were cleaned out as best as could be with compressed air, water, and weed eater string. The impeller was replaced and we verified it is rotating the correct way. We also tried running water up the pickup tube and down through the block at the thermostat housing with the garden hose to see if anything would come out of the telltale. Nothing still.

We can shoot water up through the telltale and out of the "water return union" (item 4 of first pic), so the potential clog is not in the small rubber hoses or fuel and oil coolers. When we take the small hose off the water return union with the engine running, nothing comes out the small stem of the union, or small rubber hose (item 20 of 2nd pic). That does not seem right that no water is flowing through the small rubber hose that is item 20, am I right?

How much water is supposed to flow through the large hose which is after the thermostat (item 1 of the second pic)? Even after the thermostat opened, there still wasn't much coming out, which makes sense, but it is a big hose for such little water.

Also, could a bad water pressure valve (item 3 of second pic) cause no water to come out of the telltale?

We are trying to avoid the cost of a boat mechanic and need suggestions. Does anyone have flow path diagrams of the cooling system? Thanks!
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Kola16

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Okay well the images will not upload for now, so here are the links:
Image 1: Engine Holder Schematic

Update: Fixed! I guess I cannot upload images on Safari...
 
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99yam40

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I would think that a stuck open PRV would dump too much water at low RPMs but not at higher RPM, if the water pump is working properly
 

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It's a 18 year oldie motor used in salt or fresh water ?

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It's a 18 year oldie motor used in salt or fresh water ?

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Salt. Heavy corrosion. Always flushed but still suffered major corrosion. We are wondering which way the water is supposed to flow throughout the block since we are not getting water to the oil and fuel coolers.
 

99yam40

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can you tell which hose on that parts diagram goes to the tell tail?
I know nothing about this motor,
but If I had to guess , I would think that the fitting # 6 at the bottom of the diagram is where the water comes out of the block flowing to the fuel and oil cooler
 

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Salt. Heavy corrosion. Always flushed but still suffered major corrosion.
Flushing any motor religiously used in salt water won't guarantee that won't suffer corrosion nor salt build ups over the years and 18 years of constant internal punishment is more than enough..

Does the motor have an internal anode (s) located on any of the water passages, check the Motor Parts Manual to find that out...

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Kola16

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Hose 18 goes to the telltale.

The engine had 4 anodes, all were crumbled to pieces. They have all been replaced now, but there are definitely pieces that could be dispersed throughout the system. We have flushed it out as best as we can, but we're just unsure of how the water flows through the block.
 

99yam40

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well if 18 goes to the TT then follow that back to see if the place it comes from is plugged up.
it does not look like it has anything to do with the oil and fuel cooler
 

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So there was a little bit of confusion about what got blown out. I asked them to blow out all the ports leading to the block again so they did that and found a lot of junk in the port connected to hose 9. They also took the cover off the crankcase and found a lot of junk in there. It's peeing now! From how much crud they found, I let them know that it could get clogged up again, but I think they are more prepared to unclog it this time.
 
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