2002 350 MAG MPI Fuel Issue?

Chrisrokc

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I have a 350 MAG MPI serial number 0M350565 in a 2002 Crownline with a Bravo 3. Some background, the boat is mint and has rarely had any issues. Over the last two seasons it has only been in the water 10 times max. Needless to say, the fuel is/was old. This season we have been out over 10 times. Ran WOT. No issues.

Over the past weekend while coming up on plane I hear a pop or a bang. Very much like a back fire. Boat immediately dies. All vitals show to be good (temp, oil pressure, voltage). I immediately try to restart. It idles and is able to put around at a low rpm. Vitals are good. Dies again at this low RPM. We decide to stay close to the marina and enjoy some sun. Decided to re-try. Able to get on plane. Dies about 200-300 yards out. Immediately try to restart. No go. Wait about 3-5 minutes, try again. It is once again about to put around for a bit at a low rpm and dies. Pull the in-line fuel filter and notice a rattling. Shake it out over the water. Dark plastic comes out on the intake end of the filter, nothing comes out of the exit. Reinstall, same thing but acts slightly better. Decided to call it quits and got off the lake.

Later, upon further inspection it appears that part of the structure inside the filter deteriorated and came apart. This did not lead to any plastic past the in-line filter as mesh inside the filter was still intact.

This is what I have done so far to try and resolve the issue. Seems to have a slightly rough idle on the hose. Fuel pressure is 40 psi with ignition on. At idle the fuel pressure bounces between 35-41 psi rapidly. See video below. At 1000-1200 RPMs it bounces between 30-40 psi. All other engine vitals are good. Fuel pump(s) seem to make a different noise than usual when priming. They seem to make a fluctuating noise. Not sure which one is making the noise. At idle the right one (the cooled one) has a slight whine.
  • Remove the fuel sender and syphon 100% of the gas out of the tank. Replace it with fresh 91.
  • Replace the in-line fuel filter.
  • Replace the Water/Fuel Separator.
Any ideas? Is the rapidly bouncing fuel pressure normal?

Idle Noise and Fuel Pressure - 350 MAG MPI
 

alldodge

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Manual shows 43 psi at 1800 RPM. Currently your pressure should not cause the motor to die

Can you check pressure under load in the water?

Remove and clean the antisiphon valve on top the tank.

anti siphon valve.png
 

Chrisrokc

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Manual shows 43 psi at 1800 RPM. Currently your pressure should not cause the motor to die

Can you check pressure under load in the water?

Remove and clean the antisiphon valve on top the tank.


I will be taking it out for testing tomorrow afternoon.

I just removed the antiphon valve. Looks clean and the ball moves easily when pushed via a hex wrench and compressed air.
 

Chrisrokc

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Update...

Swapped out the belt and spark plugs. The plugs looked HORRIBLE. Put in 8oz-9oz of Quicksilver Quicklean with 41 gallons of 91. Idled without issue on the hose. Fuel pressure still bounces.

Took it to the lake Saturday and it ran without issue. Pulled tubes, putted around, few speed runs (65mph GPS in the heat).

Still going to replace the initiation cap and rotor. Waiting on the rotor.

My big question is, is it normal to see the fuel pressure bounce on a MAG MPI? I am aware that a mechanical gauge can bounce. I feel a pulse in the line to the gauge. May grab an electrical gauge.
 

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A mechanical fuel gauge will bounce/pulse some, electrical gauge responds slower. Now if this is large bounces, then that should not happen
 

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Pull the in-line fuel filter and notice a rattling. Shake it out over the water. Dark plastic comes out on the intake end of the filter, nothing comes out of the exit. Reinstall, same thing but acts slightly better. Decided to call it quits and got off the lake.

Later, upon further inspection it appears that part of the structure inside the filter deteriorated and came apart. This did not lead to any plastic past the in-line filter as mesh inside the filter was still intact.

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I had the same issue with one of those inline filters. I cut the filter open and found the mesh filter basket had come unglued from the inlet. Those brown bits that came out are whatever was used to secure the filter to the inlet. When that happens none of the fuel is being filtered. The water separating filter should catch anything that did make it through the prefilter. I don't know how common this problem is but the filter did not appear to be very old. It was spotless inside. I'm new to these engines so I don't know if the water separating filter is upstream or downstream of the low pressure fuel pump. If it is upstream some of those bits could have made there way into the fuel pump. I don't know that answer.
 
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