2001 yamaha 25 hp quits after 5 or 10 min

Fireman81

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Hi Guys, I am new to this site so please excuse me if I have a dumb question but I have a 2001 25 HP that i recently put on my little fishing boat and for some reason it will start right up and idle great but after 5 min or so at full throttle it will die and then not start for a while like maybe until it cools down. After an hr or so I hit the start button and it fires right up. Anyone ever had this happen?
 

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Sounds like it might be overheating and boiling the fuel (leading to vapor lock). Might be worth replacing the impeller and the thermostat as a first step. If it still happens after that, then immediately remove the cowling after it stalls. Then see if you're able to start it after 15-30 minutes (as opposed to an hour). That would confirm that it's still getting too hot under there. And if you've already replaced the impeller and the thermostat at that point, I would say you either have a head gasket leak or a restriction somewhere in the water passages/hoses.

If it's a 4-stroke (F25), then change the engine oil, and see how the old oil looks when you drain it. If it's mixed with water, that would be a sign of a head gasket leak.
 

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Welcome to Iboats,

Is it a 2 stroke motor ? the issue is more pronounced at higher rpm say middle to max wot rpm range, right ?

Seems an electrical related issue, will need to troubleshoot all electrical components one each a a time till the culprit is found...Will need the tech specs for each one and a good multimeter....Good Luck !! Have you tried installing 2 fresh ones well gapped as a starter ?

Happy Boating
 
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It is a 4 stroke. The water pump is pumping a good steady stream of water. Could that be the issue still?
 

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had it in a marine shop and they ran it for 3 hrs they said and it ran fine for them but that was only in a tank and not under load. Not sure exactly how long it takes before it will start again I just know that an hr or maybe more later it starts right up.
 

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It is a 4 stroke. The water pump is pumping a good steady stream of water. Could that be the issue still?

The impeller is probably ok then. But the exit stream doesn't tell you if the engine is being sufficiently cooled or not. So the other things I mentioned (like the thermostat) might be worth looking into. A temp gun pointed at the engine block can also tell you if it's overheating.. if it's getting passed 175F or so, that's too high.

Also as suggested, it could be an electrical issue that only acts up when the engine is warm. If it is an electrical issue, you could test that as soon as it dies. At that time, do a spark test. If both plug wires don't produce spark then that points to an electrical issue with the coil, the CDI unit, or maybe an engine ground wire.
 

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I will say that the impeller has not been replaced since we have had it which has been 8 years or so. That should be replaced I agree but it sure seems to be pissing out a good strong stream. I do have a coil because I initially thought thats what it was but now I am not so sure. I will be changing the impeller also
 

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Running a motor at idle/fast idle doesn't say much, motors must be run at load at max throttle with a test prop in a test tank if done at a reputed shop If not, must be tested at open water while powering a boat, that's under full load.

Does the motor counts with a overheat sensor aside from the rev limiter which surely has one ? Was the motor used in fresh or salt water for the last 19 years ? OTOH if was used in salt water there's an overheat condition going on due to an excessive salt build ups on all the internal water passages and motor not cooling right as should be doing.

If the impeller pumps good, the overheat sensor if having one works OK and all the internal water paths are relatively clean, it's an Intermitent electrical related issue which is very hard to diagnose fast. The component works OK, heats, shorts, cooles down, works ok, heats shorts again and that bummer will continue forever till detected. The issue is which one it's having such strange behaviour ? Electric components do have a life time are not eternal as one would imagine..

Check that each electrical component ground terminal and where it connects to the powerhead are immaculate clean and shinny for an excellent electrical component operation.

Happy Boating
 
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I will say that the impeller has not been replaced since we have had it which has been 8 years or so. That should be replaced I agree but it sure seems to be pissing out a good strong stream. I do have a coil because I initially thought thats what it was but now I am not so sure. I will be changing the impeller also

Yeah 8 years is a long time but if you're in freshwater, they can last that long (and longer). It's good to replace it either way though. But what I was getting at is that the exit stream only tells you that water is getting as far as the bottom cowling area (where the water hoses are). It doesn't confirm that water is actually getting through the thermostat housing and cooling the block sufficiently. Confirming that can be done with a temp gun when the issue happens. If the temp is getting too high, then the thermostat might be stuck, which does happen from time to time. Mine did that last year on my 2011 F50, where it was sticking open and causing an over-cooling condition. Yours might be stuck closed. I would just blindly replace it, since a temp gun costs about as much as the thermostat itself.

Like Sea Rider said, you should get an alarm if it's overheating, but you have to confirm that the alarm works. Not easy to do. But it looks like your service manual is available on manualslib.com. It's a 2002 manual, which should be close enough. That's a gold mine of information. For instance, it says your thermostat should be fully open at 140F, which is lower than average (mine is 158F, for example).

Also, in larger engines, if the thermosensor (aka the cooling water temperature sensor) circuit closes (which happens during an overheat condition), that will trigger the ECM/CDI to cut off spark to half of the cylinders, and you won't be able to rev passed 2000 rpms or so. And you'd also hear a beep from the control box. Your engine only has the one coil, so it would likely shut off completely. What model control box do you have btw? If you're not sure, take a picture.

The manual also says to check that the anti-cavitation plate is between the bottom of the boat and a maximum of 25 mm below it. If it's mounted too high, that can also lead to an overheat condition. It shows a picture of where you should measure that distance. If that was an issue, the engine speed would be abnormally high (well beyond 6000 rpms).

If you have a new coil, might as well install it. If there's no change, then you've basically ruled that out at least. But it still could be an electrical problem elsewhere in the ignition circuit.
 

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Remove the thermo and install a new one in, take advantage to check the powerhead interior if perfectly clean or not. Test the motor again at full throttle at open water and report your findings.

Happy Boating
 

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I am going to test the thermostat this weekend to see if it is opening. Hopefully this will tell me something. The new coil will be here next week. If the thermostat isnt opening I will order a new one I guess. Thanks for the help guys. I will report what I find out.
Have a great weekend!
 

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I took the thermostat out and seems to open fully in near boiling water. When the water was down to 140 or slightly above it opens about 1/8” maybe. Think its bad?
 

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I took the thermostat out and seems to open fully in near boiling water. When the water was down to 140 or slightly above it opens about 1/8” maybe. Think its bad?

A thermo is a relative cheap component, install a new one and don't lose precious boating time mechanically troubleshooting it. With new one installed check at a wot spin if the issue was solved.. Order a thermo gasket as well if counting with one..

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New thermostat is ordered. I will report back my findings

Way to go, does this motor counts with an overheat sensor aside from the thermo ? A thermo in good working order should open way before the water boils while suspended with a string right in middle of a pan while it's heated slowly and monitored with a thermometer dipped in water placed side of the suspended thermo A thermo should open and close relatively fast, if takes too much time to perform both actions it's already Kaput !! LOL !!

Happy Boating
 

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I have no idea if this motor has a overheat sensor or not. Where would i find it amd what does it look like?
 

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I have no idea if this motor has a overheat sensor or not. Where would i find it amd what does it look like?

Post the exact 25 HP model and year with all its letters to check that up..Should look as any other sensor located on the powerhead with 2 cables connected somewhere. Probably that model just uses a thermo...

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2001 YAMAHA 25 HP
this was bought used so i have no manual on this engine.
 

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