2000 Alpha One Gen 2, U-Joint Knocking

JPonLKN

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Hi Guys, hoping maybe someone has had a similar issue and a bit of knowledge on my issue. The boat is a 2000 Sea Ray Sundeck 210 with a 5.0 Mercruiser. About 700 hours. It has an Alpha One Gen 2 outdrive. I had a low grinding noise, not super loud, but noticeable. Figured it was the gimbal bearing. It was the original unit, and original u-joints. Pulled the Bearing, put a new one in (Cheap Chinese Amazon product). One of the O-rings on the shaft that rides in the gimbal bearing was missing when I pulled the drive. U-joints felt good, so I left them in place. Put the drive back on, boat in the water, and had bad knocking from the u-joints on full turn. Old gimbal bearing felt bad when it was in the outdrive, but now that it is out, feels like it is still good. New one feels good in the drive and is aligned. I then replaced the U-joints with Sierra Joints. Boat had no noise at all on muffs, but once in the water, at idle/low RPM, no noise at full turn until I put it under load with full turns, then the knocking came back. Pulled the drive and was missing an O-Ring again. Replaced the O-ring, and drive, same thing. Long drive, several hours at low RPM, no issues, even at full turn. First few turns under load were ok, but then the knocking again. I'm thinking maybe the cheap Gimbal bearing might be causing me to destroy the O-rings when under load, then without the O-ring, the U-joints start making noise. The cheap gimbal bearing went in fine, easy to align, and seems to spin freely at the bearing. It is a greasable type, and has been greased. What am I missing? Is it possible just replacing the gimbal bearing with a sierra or Quicksilver unit might solve my issue? Thoughts? Thanks in advance for the ideas/experience.
 

JPonLKN

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did you check your alignment?
yep, alignment tool slides in easy, and straight, all the way in. measured it. even with light grease in the coupler at the time, clear spline mark visible on the tool end.

As a side note, while the knocking wasn't there at low RPM initially, after putting load on during turns, it now knocks even at low RPM at significant turn, both directions.

I also measured all the inside faces on the center socket last time I had the drive off, and they were all super close...within a few thousanths. U joints feel smooth.
 

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If the u joints have ever been wet they rust and will wear quickly even after greasing them.
 

JPonLKN

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If the u joints have ever been wet they rust and will wear quickly even after greasing them.
There was no water in the bellows, bellows looked good. After the first incident of knocking, I replaced them. No noise at initial install, but knocking after short high rpm run with turns. Found a gimbal O-ring went missing, replaced and reinstalled drive, same thing. Good at low RPM, bad after high RPM run, then bad at low RPM. Boat is now on a lift at the dock, so no access to pull the drive again for a few days. What I can't figure out is why the O-ring went missing.
 

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There was no water in the bellows, bellows looked good. After the first incident of knocking, I replaced them. No noise at initial install, but knocking after short high rpm run with turns. Found a gimbal O-ring went missing, replaced and reinstalled drive, same thing. Good at low RPM, bad after high RPM run, then bad at low RPM. Boat is now on a lift at the dock, so no access to pull the drive again for a few days. What I can't figure out is why the O-ring went missing.
Try an oem gimbal bearing. Turn the input shaft in the drive possible that bearing on drive yolk is bad.

the fact that you didnt have a knocking before bearing was replaced would make me think the bearing is bad or not seated fully
 

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As a follow up to close this thread...it turns out that Chinese cheap gimbal bearings are just that...cheap junk. I pulled it out and couldn't even get it to swivel using an alignment tool with the bearing in a vice. I suspect that forces all the drive line angles to be taken up by the u-joints, causing the knocking. New OEM gimbal bearing...quiet at full turn both ways, even at full throttle under load. Sierra U-joints appear to be just fine. I suspect my original u-joints were good and didn't need to be changed.
 
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