2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

thehermit

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Greetings gang.

Symptoms:
My motor was charging eratically. @ idle it would rarely charge bats over 12. Underway it would do 14. Then one day 14 became 13 as I noticed it charged less and less. Also when I would 1st idle and try to throlle up it would poop out. It would re-start and go from there. Now motor wont run @ all (or just barely). Like its way out of time or something.

Problem:
I noticed my timer base was kind of sticking. The I noticed black goo over stuff. So I popped the flywheel and my Stator is melting the black plastic off of itself.

Question:
New stator?
Did it possibly mess up timer base or powerpack?

Note:
I read when the reg/rect goes in an overcharge situation it frys other stuff. In my case it all just seemed to peter out.


HELP
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

The 35 ampere stators are prone to overheating..... OMC's goof. Replace the stator. Be sure to torque the flywheel nut down to 145 foot pounds, otherwise the flywheel key will absolutely shear.

Clean up the timer base thoroughly. Very unlikely any damage exists there. Assemble using a slight bit of grease on the brass bearing of the timer base BUT use only oil on the nylon bearing. It must swivel freely.

If your tachometer functions perfectly, in all likely hood the water cooled regulator/rectifier is okay BUT if the tachometer is erratic and the battery charging isn't as it should be, do the following test.

(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Remove that gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.

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thehermit

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

Thanks Joe.

I think my reg/rect should be OK. I never had erratic charging. Just a slow fade of my charging.

OK how do you secure the flywheel when torqing?????????? TIP???
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

I use a mechanics tool called a spanner wrench. It's what automotive mechanics use to turn the flywheel when they're installing a pressure plate on a manual shift vehicle..... or they just need to turn the flywheel for some other reason while under the vehicle.

Spanner-2.jpg
 

seahorse5

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

Joe is right about the charging problem your motor has.

Most of the time a melted stator is due to wingnuts on the battery terminals. Some folks just use their fingers to snug them down. Any looseness or corrosion on the cables makes an intermittent circuit and that causes voltage spikes which can damage the regulator. Depending how the regulator diodes or damaged -shorted or open - heat builds up in the stator windings and eventually the black plastic insulation melts and drips down on the motor and the timer base (spark advance). A stuck timer base then causes a lack of acceleration and power from the engine.

All these expensive components could have been saved by following what Johnson and Evinrude has preached, taught, and printed for the last quarter century - Never use wing nuts on the battery - use stainless steel hex nuts and lockwashers tightened with a wrench
 

thehermit

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

I run 2 bats with a bat switch. Terminals are clean and are hex nuts. All wrench tightened.

How else would this have heated up?

Stator on order :)
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

As I mentioned previously, the 35 ampere stator (yours) runs extremely hot, unusually hot, too damn hot! To experience just how hot, run the engine for a short period of time, shut it down, take the hood off, then lay your hand on top of the flywheel.

ZOOOWWIEEE_DAMN!! Took you hand off real quick huh? With everything as it should be, that is everything in tip top condition..... all terminal connections, wiring, the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier..... everything perfect, that 35 amp stator is going to run hotter than any alternator stator on the market and this is normal.

The new stator that you're going to replace..... that too will overheat in time, there's just no getting around it. It may take a few years but it will happen again but there is usually a warning.... either the battery doesn't get charged or the tachometer starts to act up, not always as in your case but usually.
 

thehermit

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

Installed new stator. Motor was still not firing correctly. SO installed new powerpack too. Dont know if they failed together or one killed the other. Shes running great now. Going to set idle speed and timing under load tommorow. Eveything else has been synced.

Almost there!
 

wilde1j

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

I use a mechanics tool called a spanner wrench. It's what automotive mechanics use to turn the flywheel when they're installing a pressure plate on a manual shift vehicle..... or they just need to turn the flywheel for some other reason while under the vehicle.

Spanner-2.jpg

You can buy one on Ebay for under $30. Called a "flywheel turner".
 

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thehermit

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

OK need some more help here!!!!!!!!!

Replaced stator and now I have 14 volts @ idle like I used to

Replaced pwerpack and now he engine runs

Engine runs like sh*t and is missing big time. Lots of smoke and un-burned gas.



Heres what I found. 2 wires from the trigger to the powerpack (rght side) were grounding. They were damaged on the powerpack side of the plug. SO when I bolted on my new pack=no more bum wires.

Question:

Did those wires grounding and my meltdown also effect the trigger coil?

FYI: I have spark on all cyl and am chargring.
 

thehermit

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

OK going for the timer base swap (got a 2nd hand one to try) and a closer look at shift assist switch.
 

thehermit

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

UPDATE:

Switched out the timer base and cleaned all contacts and under flywheel. Motor started back up but acts the same.

Still has a miss and is leaving lots of etra fuel in my test tank.

Indexed the flywheel moved timing light around testing each coil. Timing looks to be in the neighborhood.

BUT

#4 coil is bairly sparking/lighting up the timeing light. Its intermitant and very different than others. SO I put the timing light on that powerpack input to #4. It seems strong and steady.

SO

BAD #4 Coil right?
 

thehermit

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Re: 2000 225 Johnson Stator - melting?

Yup...back on track. Timed/Synced/ and tons o power.

Total system metldown has been fixed. And yes she charges a perfect 14 on the the gauge.

Thanks
 
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