200 hp to 225 hp...

usamarshal

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I have a 1992 200 hp Evinrude XP and was wondering if its possible to bring the horsepower up to 225. My buddy has a 150 hp Mercury and all he had to do was get new carbs to bring it to 200 hp. Didn't know if this would be possible with the rudes too. Thanks for any help, Skip
 

Cricket Too

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

I doubt you would even notice the difference if you could get it to 225.

That sounds a little too good and easy to be true, gaining 50hp and turning a 150 into a 200 just by changing carbs, that would mean that the 150 and 200 are the exact same block and the only difference Merc made was carbs.....doesn't sound right.
 

Saskatoon2005

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

Yeah, I would have to agree with Cricket as well, there is more in the difference of the engines then just the carbs. I would look at the cc of the outboards and you will see a difference. 50 Hp just from carbs is unheard of, and on the bigger blocks as well. I would look deeper into it. It sounds like you might just want to stay ahead of your buddy there in horsepower. LOL!
 

chrish

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

i read this post last night and thought it to be kinda unreal, 50 HP jump like that 8)
 

Silvertip

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

The 150 and 200 Mercs (if the engines we are discussing are classic series), they are both 153 cubic inch (2.5L) blocks. The only way to tell for sure what's changed is to compare the parts lists line for line for the two engines. If the bare block part number, pistons, heads, exhaust tuner, intake manifold, and reed block have the same part number but the carbs themselves are different then and only then can you say it's only the carbs that makes the difference. As for the displacement, even though two engines share the same block, porting is one of the ways power is achieved on a two stroke. Therefore porting may be different (and very likely is) so the blocks really are not the same. Changing the carbs is done to take advantage of the better breathing ability of the engine with more agressive porting. Since you put more air and fuel into the engine, you need to get rid of it as well so again, porting is an issue and that's where the exhaust tuner may or may not be involved as well. While carb change only may hold true on some smaller outboards, it is not usually the case on bigger engines. If it were, why would anyone buy a 200 when all they had to do is pop a set of carbs onto a 150. The engineers do some creative things to achieve power, but they aren't magicians. Your 200 and the 225 fall into the same category. The performance you will likely see in such a change is an increase in fuel consumption with an imperceptable increase in performance.
 

Dhadley

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

His basic question is about the 200XP. In 1992 the 200XP and GT's had the (20" model) 225 carbs and heads. Basically, in 1992 the 200XP/GT is the same as the 20" 225. On one of the other boards he and I have been looking at some different things. (Nice guy, by the way)

We'll keep everyone posted. His intension is to not alter the basic powerhead but max out the stock motor. He has a Stratos so he has a very good basic platform to work from.

Unfortunately it's a bit chilly in Ohio so testing isn't going to happen for a while. In the meantime he's gathering some info on what prop he has etc.
 

Cricket Too

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

Sounds interesting Dhadley, definitely keep us updated.

So the only difference in these two motors was that with a 20" shaft it was rated at 225 and with the 25" shaft it was rated at 200?
 

usamarshal

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

The prop I have is a Turbo-O - 13 3/4 inches - 23 pitch...thanks, Skip
 

Dhadley

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

The 200XP or GT came with the same carbs as the 20" 225 in 1992. The 25" 225 had different carbs to handle the extra backpressure and / or requirements of being run on different types of boats. All XP / GT V6's are 20" motors.

Remember ratings are goverened by the NMMA and have a 10% allowance for advertised horsepower. And it makes a difference at what rpm the motors are rated.

200XP is a model desigination, not an advertised hp rating.

A lot of this has to do with what his buddy ran into with the Merc. Let's look at a hypathetical situation.

Let's assume that his friends 150 2.5 Merc has the same block as a 200 but smaller carbs. With the smaller carbs and the 150 desigination the motor could have been rated by Merc at, say 5200 rpm. At 5200 rpm with those carbs it has to put out 150 hp +/- 5%. If it does the NMMA would accept Merc's rating.

However, what happens if you turn it up a bit? Maybe even with the smaller carbs it produces, say, 170 hp at 5600 or so.

Now if Merc puts bigger carbs on and submits a rating of that motor at 5800 or 6000 and 200 hp and the NMMA checks it and that's what it does (within the 10% rule), it's accepted.

The NMMA does not rate what happens at rpm's other than what's submited by the manufacturer.

Don't ya just love politics?
 

usamarshal

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Re: 200 hp to 225 hp...

Very interesting stuff indeed. I'm looking forward to getting on the water this year, thats for sure. Should be interesting to see the rpm's, speed, and whether or not the prop I have on there now is the best choice for this rig.
 
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