2 big guys in a little boat

bandit86

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My dad and I are fairly heavy and were looking for a small Jon boat to do some out of the way fishing, just a few miles off the beaten path. I found a prince craft 12ft 53 wide Jon boat I like size vise, and a 5 HP Honda short shaft. I want to be Aleta get ahead of the river current else,we'd paddle. The two of us combined come in close to 480 pounds, plus add minimal gear. I like the Jon oat as I don't need a trailer and can have on the roof of the jeep liberty.

It sounds ideal, what do you guys think? Too little boat, not enough HP?
 

kahuna123

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

I think I would be looking for more hp
 

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

What sort of water will you be fishing? That kind of setup will work great for small lakes or slow-moving rivers (as long as you are below the weight limit of the boat), but it will be a problem in faster rivers or large lakes with waves. A 5 HP motor won't get you on a plane with that amount of weight in the boat and may not be able to push you up river. The low sides of a jon boat are not ideal for large lakes due to waves. But like I said, it will work great for calm, slow water.

Be sure that you do not exceed the weight limit of the boat. Small jon boats sometimes have weight limits of 500 lbs or less. The boat will be more tippy with the added weight and will be more difficult to maneuver. You may also be ticketed by the river patrol.
 

Texasmark

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

Go to the loweboats.com www and look up the 1236: 12' 53" beam, 36 bottom width, MAX PERSON CAP 325, side depth 17", max hp 10.

Having a 17" side on that john is akin to my "Lake John" that they built years ago that I had. It had high sides also as some john boats have very very short sides; not made for anything but a river with a slow current and no boat traffic, especially larger boats with wakes. How high are the sides on this boat?

You are just asking for trouble. Forget it! I could go on with the derogatory questions, but hopefully you get the idea. Or maybe you don't and you and or you dad will show up in the next days news....obituary column!

Mark
 

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

You need a bigger boat. We used to put less weight than that in a 14 footer and felt it was overloaded.
 

roscoe

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

Need more boat.

Need more motor if boating in water with more than 2 knt. current.
 

crackedglass

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

I used to own a 12' long jon boat with the narrow beam, I think mine was 54", the bottom of the boat was only 36" wide. I'm 325lbs, and with just me in the boat along with two paddles and a 3hp air cooled motor the thing would sit with only 1" of freeboard. I sold it and bought a deep 14' Grumman with much more freeboard. Even that boat with its 960 lb weight capacity would sit low in the water with me and a 200lb buddy with a 9.9hp motor and some fishing tackle. I now run a 16' boat with a 1140lb capacity with a 40hp motor. Anything less is too likely to take on water if I'm not careful.
 

rallyart

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

An 11' inflatable with an 8hp would carry you and be easy to carry.
 

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

If you go for a small boat keep all weight as low as possible. Don't install those high chairs that fresh water fisherment like.

a 17 or 19' square back canoe might be better than a 12' jon.

I use these boats duck hunting and in the marsh: 12' jon, 13' canoe, 14' wide jon, 17' canoe. The first two are "one man" for the big boys.
 
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AChotrod

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I had a 12ft Jon and with just me (155lbs) tackle and a 4hp motor it was terrible in any chop on any lake. Worked fine in channels and creeks with no traffic but I would never bring that thing on the river, especially if it has any boat traffic. You need something deeper with that load.
 

crabby captain john

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

Hope you guys are fantastic swimmers and have lots of insurance! Actually, I'm sure you were just teasing to see what kind of reaction you would get from such a silly question.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

I don't think we should be bashing this guy... it WAS a perfectly reasonable question from someone who had no idea what the answer was... the question has now been answered 10 times.....
 

Jim Hawkins

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

#11

Jon boat - good
14' - good
8 to 15 HP 2 stroke - good
 

loose rivet

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

I've got a 12' flat bottom v bow Duranautic that I consider a one man boat with me in it, the boat is rated at 540lbs total but me and a 9.9hp motor, two oars, and fishing tackle is its max in my opinion. At just over 300lbs, I have about 3" of freeboard at best if I sit at the tiller on the rear bench seat, its better if I use a tiller extender and sit in the middle.
I've been in a 1236 jon boat before and they don't have much freeboard even empty, if I were you I'd look for something bigger or something with deep sides and a higher weight rating. Being at or even close to the rated max weight often isn't safe and sure isn't fun if conditions turn bad or someone gets careless.
I watched three guys in a 12' jon boat get dumped in the river a few year ago by a passing boat, I'd guess their weight at about 250lbs, 170lbs, and the little guy was 140lbs or so. The boat was nearly at the water line and all three were fishing in fast moving water. A larger boat passed by with a huge wake, the boat swamped and sank almost instantly. One guy swam to the far side of the river into the marsh area, another swam to a nearby bridge piling, the other guy, the only one with a life vest quickly floated down stream. He was later found and pickup up by a passing boat almost 2 miles down river.
The boat was never found. Either the flotation in it was water logged or it wasn't enough to float the boat because I watched it roll to one side, and sink out of sight in an instant. The boat never surfaced, and was never found. It was in 44' of water where it sank and the river moves pretty fast there but they were on the far side of the main channel and in maybe 22' of water or less. We scoured the area for a few hours after they found the third man that went in the water but never found the boat. The only thing found was a small ice chest and one guy's tackle box lid and a bunch of floats. The two guys that swam to safety weren't wearing a PFD, the third man was and was carried by the current and into the channel. All were in their late 60's or 70's.
They were probably at or just above the max weight of the boat in a section of the river about 500' wide or so. They had come downstream by paddle about 6 miles, we had no clue how they intended to get back to where they launched with just two oars.
None of them owned the lost boat, it was borrowed from a buddy.

I generally figure one no more than half the rated capacity for normal use on any small boat, taking into account the size of motor as well. If you only plan to run a 5hp motor, then you may well find that you get the same or better performance from a larger boat that's not so far below the waterline when loaded as you would from the smaller hull.
A buddy has a 16' boat and owns several motors, he's got a 6hp, a 9.5hp, and a 15hp motor, the 6hp and 9.5hp run almost the same speed wise, with the 9.5 being a bit stronger in fast current, the 15hp does a bit better but not great, it takes a borrowed 25hp to plane his boat with two guys in it. With one person, the 15hp does no better than the other two smaller motors due to the boat being so low in the stern with one big man at the tiller. It actually does better with two people and more weight with any of the smaller motors. The boat is rated at 40hp max, and he's never even close to the max weight of 1480lbs.
Any motor will 'move' the boat, only the max hp will move it efficiently in most cases.
 

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Re: 2 big guys in a little boat

Let me try to be a bit more polite. Speaking as a guy who went the same route last summer, I think 480 pounds of live load needs at least a 14 foot boat with a 48" bottom. I bought and we fished several times in a 12 foot v hull (48" beam, not bottom). As long as we both sat still it was tolerable. No standing. No stretching. No moving. My brother in law who weights about 200 bought a 12 foot flat and went swimming last week trying to get out of the boat when he got back to the dock.

Late last fall I bought a 14' with a 48" bottom and a 67" beam. With a 41 pound 4 stroke, a battery with trolling motor and the the 2 of us in this boat we are right at the 825 pound max load limit for people + gear + motor. The boat is very stable and I feel safe. We can stand and move about with no problems. Still I would not take this on a large body of water where we might encounter serious waves.

Please consider carefully before you buy a mistake.
 
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