1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

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it idles and revs fine out of the water, but when you put it in the water under a load. it just won't go. it stumbles all over itself. any ideas?
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

Ayuh,... How long has it been since it was Tuned-Up,+ had the Filters changed,..??
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

it was just done by the boat shop. it had been running great but the water pump went out and it started running hot so we had a new pump put on it. npw it just wont go with a load. it revs and runs great out of the water, but as soon as you put it in the water it just wont go at all
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

Was the old fuel filter inspected for water? If not, time to replace it again, only this time dump the contents in a clear container and look for water seperation. Do not reuse the old filter.
As I just asked in another thread, What is the Full model number of your engine? Volvo lists nothing by year. Even better, what is the engine SN.
 

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it started running hot so we had a new pump put on it. npw it just wont go with a load

So your saying it was fine before the waterpump went out. The waterpump was fixed but now the engine doesn't run correctly???
Me thinks me see's a pattern here....
That begs the question.......

it started running hot

How hot? and for how long?
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

We Went Ahead And Had The Heads Redone And Also New Headgaskets Just To Make Sure After It Ran Hot, But It Only Ran Hot For A Moment Or So
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

Start with the basics then, what's your compression at? Fuel pressure? Base timing set at?
Its either a mechanical problem, fuel problem, or spark problem.... time to start diagnosing.
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

Back up to post #4 first . . . ;)
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

the moderator closed my last thread so that we wouldn't have to get caught up, but i guess anyone who wants to help me will have to read the thread entitled "i need help" then respond to this one...thanks for all the help dave!!
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

Good grief man, copy and past the information from the other post into this thread as a reply. Don't make everyone else try to find your other post, read it and then reply hear.
 

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This is from GRANGER65 other post.

well i read everyones suggestions and started with the fuel filter like i was suggested. i pulled the water-fuel filter off and yes in was orangee and completely full of junk and also had water in it. but then i noticed the fuel pumps weren't even comig on at all. so i bought the online seloc manual and started trying to diagnose why. it had about 20 steps, some which it told me to skip. so i am finally down to the bottom and it tels me to run a jumper wire from 85 to i beliexe it was 87 in the relay area, i did and fuel pumps immediately turned on. i had purchased 2 new relays already, but replacing them did not work. anyway the last test told me to remove the ecm and test the ohms from j1-23 to 85 in thr fuel relay, so i did. it manual said if the ohm meter registered 0.00 then the ecm was bad, but it registerd 9.something but then i looked at the ecm diagram in the seloc manual and it says j1-23 is "blank" so i'm wondering if this is a misprint. if it was really supposed to be j1-23. any ideas? also it says if i get a reading then either a wire is broken or corroded or something is not making a good eleictrical connection. i did notice the old relays prongs were fairly green and corroded when i removed them, so i thought i would get some electrical cleaner and spry the base where relays plug in and try it. any other ideas what could cause this?
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

well since i need help really bad and don closed my last thread, i'll have to retype everything here again, so here goes.
as you can se up above i thought i had one problem and when i took everyones advice and started with the fuel water filter and it was full of trash, water and was orange in color. but then i noticed my fuel pumps were not coming on and engine would not start at all. so i purchased a seloc online manual. and followed the directions on fuel system diagnostics. at some point i replace the fuel pump relays that did not help, then it told me to get a jump wire from 85 to 87 terminals on the fuel relay base. when i did this, the fuel pumps immediately turned on. then it told me to see if i got a positive (non 0.00 reading) on my ohm meter by checking from 85 on the fuel pump relay to j1-23 on the ecm. which i did. it read positive with a 9. something reading which is supposed to prove the ecm is ok. when i looked at the schematics though, it shows that j1-23 is "blank". so now i'm concerned that the seloc manual is misprinted or incorrect. so 2 things please. #1 is j1-23 the correct ecm point to check. and #2 it says if i got a positive numeric reading that the ecm is good and i must have a corroded or broken wire or connection somewhere in the system. i was planning on getting some electrical connection cleaner and start with the base of the fuel relay, cause i noticed when i removed the 2 old relays the prongs were somewhat green and corroded. so any other ideas where to check or to do?
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

I think you need to answer my 3 questions before anyone goes any further... because anything else is just a guess untill you start answering questions.

1. what are you compression numbers?
2. what is your fuel pressure?
3. what is your base timing set at?
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

i tried to copy and paste it don, but it wouldn't allow me to do it.* sorry for the frustration, but i have to type all day and i'm getting really frustrated with my boat. your help would be greatly ppreciated though. as you asked in the previous post , when i removed the fuel filter, the water and gas were seperated.
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

the compression numbers, i don't know, i'll check tommorrow. right now i have no fuel pressure unless i jumper wire the relays. but i can jump them and get you the numbers. and i can't get it running without fuels to find out the bas timing
 

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also, i tried to get the numbers off of the engine, but on the silver sticker, it was so faded, i couldn't read the numbers. i got my ecm number, is there another place to find the engine id numbers?
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

Water kills electric fuel pumps. If the filters aren't inspected and changed regularly and water develops for some reason, then you never know about it. It gets into the EFI system and destroys it's way thru the system.
Your fuel pumps aren't coming on, are they getting power to come on, do they work. That is where you have to run thru the complete OEM troubleshooting procedure to find out what is the problem.
If you have water in the pumps and injectors, they could all be junk. Have seen it before. The orange color of the WATER is from rust.
It gets frustrating on this side of the fence also, people ask questions, get answers and never reply back. Of course the head off to the next room and start the same conversation on the same problem with others. Same thing you did with your new post.
You also have to understand that EFI is not something that a person with no mechanical or electrical skills can deal with, without the proper OEM manuals and test equipment and test procedures.
Do you fix your car if it stops running???????????????
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

why don't you have any fuel pressure? If you say it runs on the muffs you have some pressure. What are you jumping?
 

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Re: 1998 cobalt 7.4 volvo fuel injected

don s said:
You also have to understand that EFI is not something that a person with no mechanical or electrical skills can deal with, without the proper OEM manuals and test equipment and test procedures.

I second that. I work on this stuff for my half *****'s living.
The obvious is in the first 10 percent of diagnosing.... if the problem is in the other 90%... I'll pull a manual each and every time.

I've always found it easier to get in the habit of pulling a manual every time rather then pretending I know every spec for every engine ever made.
Just my 2 cents.
 
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