1997 115 fast strike

RBR5

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I have a 97 115 fast strike it will run great for sometimes 5 min wide open then starts missing really bad I can back it down to half throttle and it runs better but with a small miss then when I go back to wide open it misses bad sounds like its running on 3 cylinder im thinking power pack it had a new one back in 2009???
 

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Put a timing light on each cylinder and look into for black spots when it acts up. That's the cyl/cyls that are giving you the problems.
 

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Black spots where?
I know it's not fuel when it acted up I tried pumping the primer and it didn't help
 

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Black spots in the timing light itself. That means it's not firing.
 

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Here's another consideration (and "boobie" told you correctly about checking with a timing light): when you refer to full throttle, at what RPM does the miss occur? You might be on the cusp of the rev limiter kicking in. Generally if the engine has a max of, say, 6000RPM (check your rating for that specific engine), your rev liimer could kick in at 5400 or 6600, a pretty wide swing. When you say that 1/2 throttle is better, that makes me think it's the rev limiter., the Now, when you use the timing light the rev limiter cuts out cylinders with no pattern at all, so it may be hard to verify that it's kicking in. If you have the OMC gauges, a red light will come on at the tach when it over-revs. Conversely, if the engine loses a/some cylinders due to a powerpack or electronic eye under the flywheel cover, that will show up as a cessation of blinking white light and go to constant off (black)/no light.
 

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I know what your talking about on the timing light.
It starts around 3500-4 but when I stop and put it wot to plane out it misses so bad I can't get it on plane
 

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Here's another consideration (and "boobie" told you correctly about checking with a timing light): when you refer to full throttle, at what RPM does the miss occur? You might be on the cusp of the rev limiter kicking in. Generally if the engine has a max of, say, 6000RPM (check your rating for that specific engine), your rev liimer could kick in at 5400 or 6600, a pretty wide swing. When you say that 1/2 throttle is better, that makes me think it's the rev limiter., the Now, when you use the timing light the rev limiter cuts out cylinders with no pattern at all, so it may be hard to verify that it's kicking in. If you have the OMC gauges, a red light will come on at the tach when it over-revs. Conversely, if the engine loses a/some cylinders due to a powerpack or electronic eye under the flywheel cover, that will show up as a cessation of blinking white light and go to constant off (black)/no light.

are you sure about that??? I have a 95 115 ocean runner and I don't think there is a rev limiter on it.... for sure it didn't kick in when I was spinning a SS prop at 6200 rpms..........

bob
 

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It the motor is overheating, the powerpack will kill spark to 3 of the cylinders. Why not check the temperature of the heads?
 

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It the motor is overheating, the powerpack will kill spark to 3 of the cylinders. Why not check the temperature of the heads?

That's the S.L.O.W system...... there is no getting to wide open when that is kicked in..... I didn't know it was killing three of the four cylinders!!!! I have a hard time believing that that V4 can run 2500 rpm on just one cylinder!!!!
SLOW limits the rpm to 2500 !!!
bob
 

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Well, if it's overheating, the overheat alarm will come on as well as the light on the tach.. No one mentioned an alarm sounding during the problem.Is it safe to assume that it worked when the ignition was turned on and it went through the self-check process? As far as SLOW, that feature doesn't kill 3 simultaneously. It will cause a breakdown of all cylinders as though all cylinders were misfiring. A V6 will drop 3 cylinders on the starboard side for shift-interruption; on the port side, if the hidden diode pops, you'll lose that side. The same is true for a V4, just 2 fewer cylinders. But SLOW activating for overheating on either engine will make certain you shut down to see what's going on! So, my reply was based on 1) erratic running at full throttle; 2) smooth running at part throttle; 3) return to erratic after a period back at full throttle; 4) no mention of steam, lack of water discharge, or overheating smell; 5) no extended period of stable reduced RPM at any level.
All that said, there's no reason not to check the head temps, but I hesitated to encourage someone who might not have the experience to go buy a pyrometer and hang out over an engine running 6000+RPM on a boat I don't know who the cap'n is, or the boat's handling characteristics while there's a shift in weight.
As far as a rev limiter not kicking in on Cap'n Bob's, it's only a rule of thumb about the RPM. Some of the powerpacks are rated to 6700, so yours might have kicked in at 5100 or 7400, or whatever RPM your engine's powerband indicated. Check the powerpack itself to see the RPM limit. Check the engine plate or owner's manual for the operating RPM. Though your engine can turn 6200, the power band is a Bell curve. If your operating range is 5000-6000, your optimum RPM is about 5500. Below that, you're not making the power available. Above that, your power decreases, despite the ability to turn RPMs.
Finally, I realize that petty officers don't make a career advancement "going off" like this, and I apologize if I've offended. But as a certified OMC/BRP tech with 57 years' experience, I've learned to try to answer the posed question with the parameters I've been taught, and try not to endanger the owner not knowing his capabilities. I have been wrong in the past. If there are specific RPM readings I can work with, or it's determined there is no tach or warning buzzer, then that knowledge may affect my answer.
Again, my apologies for any offense that may have been taken, or incorrect response based on the presented problem. We old folks can be crotchety.
 

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I don't think it's over heating the alarms work and nothing was on I can run it for 10 min wide open and it's perfect! Then I can shut it down fish for 30 min start back and it start missing it sounds awful at wide open back it down to half throttle is still will miss but not as bad I have 22 psi water pressure at 5500 rpm so I don't think is over heating. It had a power pack and optical eye put on in 2010
 

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It's just random I can shut it down 5 times and start back up and it runs fine then it randomly will start missing sounds like a power pack or coil heating up and breaking down to me
 

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I don't think it's over heating the alarms work and nothing was on I can run it for 10 min wide open and it's perfect! Then I can shut it down fish for 30 min start back and it start missing it sounds awful at wide open back it down to half throttle is still will miss but not as bad I have 22 psi water pressure at 5500 rpm so I don't think is over heating. It had a power pack and optical eye put on in 2010
I know this doesn't address your trouble issue...but I would want to stress.... that just because you have 22 psi of water do NOT think you cant over heat your motor..... that is probably why so many power heads are blown.... with friction, and lean conditions possible...or even lack of oil....sometimes water pressure cant cool a problem!!!!...that's exactly why I use a temperature guage on each head.... so you KNOW the temperature.....

bob
 

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Keep in the back of your head you still may have a bad power pack. Seen it happen. They can act like that.
 
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RBR5,

I have 1996 90Hp 60deg Ocean Pro and last season I had similar symptoms that you are experiencing. It would run good from idle to 1/2 throttle, but just at planning RPM would start missing as if one cylinder would lose spark. Next time out it would run fine, start up and return home and it would act up again. Swapped coils, replaced plugs, cleaned carbs, changed optical sensor and it would run fine, until next time out it would start missing all over again. It was intermittent and was very frustrating. Finally replaced the Power Pack with a "CDI kit" which included a new Power Pack, Optical Sensor and Plug wires. That finally cured my intermittent missing problems. Good luck...

Tom
 

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What would be wrong with using a peak reading meter to check the ignition system output voltages?
 
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