1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

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I recently purchased this motor which has been a complete mistake. Nonetheless, I’m stuck with it and need to figure out what is wrong.<br /><br />The first time I started it with the flushing ears, it ran poorly cold although it improved a little when warmed up. I checked the compression when the engine was cold and it failed the 10% rule for one of the 3 cylinders. I changed the lower unit gear lube that had supposedly been changed for the season and found it to be milky and the color of Grey Poupon mustard. Other than that, I replaced the fuel line and bulb.<br /><br />Question 1: Lower unit - I assume this means there is water in the oil. What would most likely cause this?<br /><br />I brought it out on the lake and it didn’t perform well as it quit a few times and was generally hard to start and wouldn’t idle at certain times. I knew from experience that a mechanic was going to rebuild the carbs so, with the help of a Clymer manual, I rebuilt them myself. When I took the bowl cover off of the top carburetor, there was a brass fuel shield that had broken off at some point before I bought it. A local mechanic told me to leave it out since it would be laying on the float and may cause problems.<br /><br />Question 2: Is the brass plate important?<br /><br />Question 3: I could find no instructions on setting the throttle plates so I closed them both and tightened the screw. Is this the correct way to do this?<br /><br />I was not impressed with the Clymer manual as I couldn’t find exact specs for my particular carb (i.e. jet sizes, etc.). I tuned the idle mixture to the best of my ability. The top idle mixture was about 1 ¼ turns and the lower was a little past a ½ turn which seemed odd to me.<br /><br />Question 4: Is it normal to have the idle mixture settings this different?<br /><br />It was evident that this helped but didn’t fix my main problems. I was told to use Power Tune to try to free up the rings. I followed the directions on the can and sprayed into the carbs alternately for 2/3 of the can and then sprayed the last 1/3 until the motor quit. One thing I noticed was that I couldn’t kill the motor by spraying the lower carb; only the upper. Spraying the lower carbs reduced the idle speed but did not come close to killing the engine. A lot of carbon came out of the exhaust and I had to adjust the idle speed setting up as it had decreased to the point it wouldn’t continue to idle.<br /><br />Question 5: Why didn’t the lower carb respond like the upper?<br /><br />Question 6: Why would the idle speed decrease due to the Power Tune?<br /><br />To start the motor, I have to squeeze the bulb so hard that I can hear gas spraying into the carbs. (Note: Mechanically, the choke works fine but it does not appear to do anything when starting the motor). It will then start but will not idle for long. This happens every time I start the motor, cold or hot. The motor seems to run fairly good off idle except for a hesitation at about ½ throttle. I understand this means it needs a richer mixture but resetting the idle mixture didn’t change the behavior.<br /><br />Question 7: Could this mean my fuel pump needs to be rebuilt or could the problem be a lack of crankcase vacuum due to worn rings?<br /><br />Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

Hi Unicorn,<br /><br />You have an excellent memory and thanks for the advice. Yes, I traded my Mariner along with an undisclosed amount of money for the Merc. I didn't want to bore everyone with the whole story of my blunder but the seller told me the motor was a '90 which is what I based the undisclosed amount of money on. It turns out that it's an '88. An outboard mechanic recently told me that all other things being equal, the Mariner was the better motor. The only plus is I have T&T now which appears to be the only thing that works well on the motor.<br /><br />As for the Mariner problem, I thought I had replied but I guess not. It turned out that it needed the idle mixture adjusted with the lower unit submerged in a tank or on the lake. An 1/8th turn richer on the carbs and most of the problem went away.<br /><br />The only other thing I did was install a new check valve on my '94 Smokercraft King Troller internal gas tank. I think that also helped some but I still have problems with it. The tank design was poor from the get go. All the gas flows to the front of the tank when not on plane and eventually starves the motor.<br /><br />Also, the other day, I supposedly ran out of gas but when I filled it up, it only took 16 gallons. It's a 20 gallon tank!<br /><br />The old problems seem small compared to what I've gotten myself into now...
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

No not an Excellent memory..<br />I just sift through posts to try and learn stuff.<br />When you posted that.. I had never been to this site :D Just signed up a few mths ago.<br />The Marine Doctor (To mention one member of quite a few) is knowlegable fellow and worthwhile contacting on here.<br /> http://www.ronsmarineltd.com/ <br /> 12footer, Alcan and of course JB have given me some good tips too ;)
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

The brass plate in the carb is a deflector. Generally the carb will flood if its not in there.<br /><br />It's to help stabilize the fuel when accel and cornering,from Swashing around in the bowl.<br /><br />What is the compression of this engine?<br /><br />1/4 turn on the bottom carb...could be the restictors are not in place anymore.<br /><br />Cyl's 1 and 2 are feeding it gas, draining down through the restrictor holes. Therefore it requires less fuel from the carb.<br /><br />Just some stuff to look for :) <br /><br />TMD
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

Thanks for the response.<br /><br />Is there some way I can fasten the brass deflector back in place? I was thinking of drilling a small hole and screwing it in as it looks like there is enough material where it was attached. If that won't work, do you know of another way other than buying a new carb?<br /><br />I have to recheck the compression as I did it when it was cold and the throttle wasn't wide open. I tried it dry, then with a shot of oil and then a third reading with a 2nd shot of oil (not sure why I did that or what that means, if anything). I'm pretty confident it will fail again. The original readings were:<br /><br />Cyl Initial 2nd 3rd<br />1 128 155 165<br />2 129 143 165<br />3 140 165 160<br /><br />>1/4 turn on the bottom carb...could be the<br />>restictors are not in place anymore.<br /><br />What do you mean? Turn the bottom out 1/4 turn and see how it works? What restrictors are you referring to? Where are they (or were they) located?
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

Sorry meant 1/2 turn as your original post indicated for the bottom carb..not 1/4.<br /><br />You will need to install the restrictors.<br /><br />AS for the deflector..you might try to order one from Mercury.<br /><br />Or Email me I will look into finding you one.<br /><br />marine.ron@shaw.ca<br /><br />TMD
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

I'm not sure what restricters you are referring to. Mercury's Parts Express website had a diagram of all the parts and none of them are call restricters. Are they known by some other name?<br /><br />The deflector on my carb isn't a replaceable part. But I think I could drill a hole and screw it in but I'm a little hesitant to do that if there's a possibility I'll wreck it.
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

Restrictors are not shown on the parts catalogue...that is why most people do not change them..as they do not know they are even there.<br /><br />66517 is the number for them.<br /><br />TMD
 

sgamer

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

Ah, you're online.. could you explain what the restictor is? Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

ON the Starboard side of the engine...underneath the electronics. I believe you will have to remove 3 1/2 in bolts to get the electronics off.<br /><br />There is a cover plate there...it has fins and runs the length of the block. You will need to remove it. Underneath the cover you will see 2 1/8th in holes. There should be a plastic restrictor inside the holes. This restrictor limits the amount of fuel that is to be bled off each cyl. If too much fuel is delivered to the cyl...it bleeds down to the next cyl...then to the 3rd cyl...then out through the exhaust. Newer engines do this with external Hoses.<br /><br />If the restrictors are gone...the engine floods itself out.<br /><br />TMD
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

Thanks again. Now I understand what you're talking about. The local Mercury dealer found the part but didn't know what it's for. They told me to call the service dept tomorrow.<br /><br />That might explain why the lower carb idle mixture setting runs best at 1/2 turn while the upper is set to 1 1/4 but, for the most part, my motor doesn't get enough gas. Hot or cold, I usually have to squeeze the bulb until I hear gas squirting into the carbs before it will fire. It then starts right up and may even idle for awhile. Once accelerated past idle and it's fine all day but shut it off for awhile and I'm back to squeezing the bulb.<br /><br />Squeezing the bulb gets kind of irritating to someone with tendonitis/carpeltunnel(?) from working on computers all day.<br /><br />Since I already bought a fuel pump kit, I'm going to rebuild it tomorrow and take the boat out on Mille Lacs for a couple days; maybe catch a fish. If I make it back alive, I'll let you know how it went.
 

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

I've owned an 87 inline 75hp since 92 and only problem ever encountered was worn pivot bearings. I bought it used and have since put 2275 hours on this motor myself bought with little over 200 hours. motor is awesome
 

sgamer

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Re: 1988 Mercury 60 HP Starting/Idle problems

Well, that makes one of us that's happy with our motor...
 
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