1987 Evinrude 225 charging and tach problem

DRCrowe

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I have an intermittent issue with my tach and charging system on my 1987 225 Evinrude. It works perfectly and then a couple minutes later the tach goes to zero and the voltage drops to 12. Then the tach starts working again and volts go to 14.5. It seems to go back and forth more if I'm running wide open. Might be because the boat is bouncing around a little more at 60+ Engine runs awesome the whole time.

I replaced the Battery, stator, voltage regulator and both power packs 2 years ago and haven't had an issue until last week. Is something going bad? Probably 15-20 hours since I replaced the electronics. Any thoughts?
 

Joe Reeves

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Your explanation (above) indicates a problem you apparently encountered previously, correcting it by replacing the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier a*sembly and stator. <-- Were these replaced items new or used?

If the engine is being run with a faulty battery (or no battery) from time to time, that'll result in damage to both those components within a short time.

At any rate, you're faced with running the following test once again.
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(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Normally the Gray wire leading from the tachometer is attached at the terminal strip to another Gray wire which leads from the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier...... remove the gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
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DRCrowe

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Thanks Joe! I replaced the electronics (Battery, power packs, voltage regulator and stator) when I discovered the "black Goo" 2 years ago on the stator. I decided to change all of the components at the same time, it's a 20 year old motor right?

I also discovered loose magnets which I also repaired. That is when I learned through this forum about a weak battery putting too much load on the charging system and causing issues. I replaced the battery with a new one and made sure it was fully charged at the start of the season and don't believe I have been in a situation since that would have put more then a normal load on the charging system.

I cleaned and checked all of the connections at the terminal last night with no change. That is when I jumped on the forum and saw the test you referenced above and will follow it next trip to the lake. From reading your description above I have a gut feeling that it may be an intermittent rectifier/regulator. Just because it is fairly new doesn't mean it can't fail right?

Thanks for taking the time to help! I really appreciate it. Have a great weekend!
 

DRCrowe

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FYI - All of the electronics that I replaced were with new CDI components.
 

Joe Reeves

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From reading your description above I have a gut feeling that it may be an intermittent rectifier/regulator. Just because it is fairly new doesn't mean it can't fail right? Thanks for taking the time to help! I really appreciate it. Have a great weekend!

Absolutely right!... It happens with powerpacks, the small rectifiers, stators, just about any electronic component mentionable including that water cooled component..
 

DRCrowe

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I just ordered a new one! If it isn't the problem I have a spare.

I will still perform the test, but the fact that the tach AND voltage have issues at the same time tells me the regulator is working then not working.

Have a great weekend and thanks for the help and encouragement!
 

Joe Reeves

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I just ordered a new one! If it isn't the problem I have a spare.

I will still perform the test, but the fact that the tach AND voltage have issues at the same time tells me the regulator is working then not working.

Have a great weekend and thanks for the help and encouragement!

That's going to be a little touchy.... major hurricane coming in this weekend. At the present time,scheduled to enter as a category 4 through the Miami area then going straight up thru the center of the state (Florida). They've been known to make a sudden change at the last minute... and we're hoping!
 

DRCrowe

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Sorry Joe, I forget sometimes that everyone on the Forums doesn't live by me! Hang in there and stay safe! Prayers are with you!
 

DRCrowe

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Update, First - Joe, Hope You were safe from the Hurricane!
Second - The testing was inconclusive. I really think the voltage regulator went bad and became intermittent. I bought and installed a new CDI Voltage regulator and it ran great all day and didn't miss a beat!
 

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Change the impeller every 2 years no matter how good it "p"s as a weak impeller will not fill block completely. The rectifier heatsink will not transfer heat and rectifier will fail. Also use locknuts on battery termnials. FIY that block holds near 4 gallon of water.
 
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