1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

kernal3

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Last week while on the water my old boat ran great, but at the end of the day I couldnt get full power out of the engine. Usually I can power up and have to make sure to not go over 5000 rpm, but this time, no matter how far I punched it I could not get over 3000 rpm. So I limped back to the dock and took her home. I changed the spark plugs, the fuel filter, put new fuel in, completely redid the fuel line and bulb and rebuilt the fuel pump. I am new to boating and am out of ideas on what to do next. Should I look at rebuilding the 3 carbs? It seems to smell like it is running rich. I dont see any fuel leaking out of the carbs howerver. Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
 

Chris1956

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Start with the basics. Take a compression test, and test the spark. Make sure you have spark on all 6 cylinders. Right now you do not know if it is fuel, ignition or compression. Let's narrow it down.

Post back the results.
 

kernal3

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Sorry about that, some additional information. I do have spark on all 6 cylindars and compression is good in all 6 also. Before I rebuilt the fuel pump, I could get the rpm above 3000 by pumping the primer bulb and then the engine would rev and revert back to and die. Now it stays revved around 3000 but does not increase if I pump the bulb.
 

hkeiner

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

You may have a fuel delivery problem. Possibly a restriction somewhere. To determine if this is the cause, there are some systematic troubleshooting tests that you can do with a vacuum gauge and clear hose. Check the below links for some guidance.

http://forums.iboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26607&d=1240244928

http://forums.iboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26608&d=1240244937

http://forums.iboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26609&d=1240244945

http://forums.iboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26610&d=1240245079

You may also want to check the spark at higher RPMs too. The spark can check out OK at idle but fail at higher RPMs.
 

blazer01

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

also if you put mercury fuel line on you may want to check the hose...it is directional flow
 

Chris1956

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Pull the spark plugs and compare them. They should all look the same, with some brown ask on them or maybe some black oil. If they are too clean or too dirty, you may have issues getting them to fire, ever if they have sufficient spark.
 

kernal3

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Thanks everyone, new data. I have checked spark again and it all seems fine. Not sure how to check spark while running, but it starts easy and I have spark on all 6 plugs. I do have one new thing I noticed. I have fuel leaking out of one carb, more like spewing, i have a needle size leak coming out then it stops. It will do this when I pump the bulb up before starting. Not much of a mechanic, still learning. Any ideas on what to do next?
 

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Yes, Rebuild the carb that leaks. if it has any trash in it, rebuild all the carbs. use new gasket sets, and new inlet needles and seats. Inspect the floats.
 

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Thanks everyone, new data. I have checked spark again and it all seems fine. Not sure how to check spark while running, but it starts easy and I have spark on all 6 plugs. I do have one new thing I noticed. I have fuel leaking out of one carb, more like spewing, i have a needle size leak coming out then it stops. It will do this when I pump the bulb up before starting. Not much of a mechanic, still learning. Any ideas on what to do next?

You've got a sticking float on that carb, as mentioned strip and rebuild.. when you have it apart (before you remove the float) turn the carb upside down - 1 x will drop and the other wont.

Cheers

Jim
 

kernal3

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Hey all, sorry it took so long to get things done but I have some news. I checked the spark in all cylinders and it was between 112 and 116 on all 6. I also rebuilt the fuel pump and replaced the entire fuel line and bulb. I put new spark plugs in and I rebuilt the carb that was leaking. I took it out on the lake. Same thing happened. When the boat is at Full throttle I get a max of 2500 rpm. I am not sure what to try next. Any Idea's?:confused:
 

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Is it stuttering when you reach 2500-3000 or just no power? If stuttering like a rev limiter disconnect rectifier and retry....
 

kernal3

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

It doesnt stutter but occasionally surges like it is going to take off but then does not. I will look up how to undo the rectifier and give that a try. THANKS.
 

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Check the stator as it sound like you have a bank of cylinders dropping out...
 

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Hi!
I?m having almost the same issues with my 1989 4-cyl 115 elpto.
As a matter of fact I was testdriving my boat, making some turns and crossing some wawes and it suddenly went down to about 3000 rpm. Sounds familiar?
I have changed the "big" fuel filter (there are one more small on the enrichment circuit on my engine wich I haven?t found yet) and rebuilt the fuel pump.

The fuel pump weren?t broken what I could see, but the diaphragm were a bit stiff. Going out on a test ride and no difference.

Just as you I could get my engine momentarilly have some power while pumping on the hose pump. That leads me to the absolut opinion that it has to be something with the fuel delivery. As you said you can?t get the same effect after the pump rebuild might just be the fresh pump are not so easily to bypass as before.

So what to look for?

-Obstructions in a fuel hose? Not likely, would be such a big thing to get stuck there.

Something clogged in some of the carbs sounds more possible. But what? and how to find out wich carb. I don?t dare to take off ingnition wire one by one in scare to damage the cdi/coils.

I would suggest:

-the float needle valve in some of the carbs is stuck in closed position or some jet are clogged with dirt.

-or an intake gasket is leaking between carb and engine, or carb is loose. (and sucking air/get lean)
A way to check this is to spray starter gas around the intake manifold (just prevent from getting in to the air intake) and see if the rev is changing.


So the conclusion is we having the same problem, and should definitly keep each other posted how we solve this. You might have had one carb that had a little flooding issue wich you adressed but maybe the real problem is one or two others that goes very lean.

Help appreciated how to find wich carb to look for, then when the problem is found I would like to tear down all carbs, but not in this first step.

Cheers!
 

James R

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

If carbs have not been serviced in the past two years, take them off and strip them down. Soak in Gunk parts and carb cleaning kit. Follow the instructions on the can. Rebuild with new carb kits and try again.
Compressions should be checked before doing anything otherwise you could be wasting your money.
If a carb gets blocked you get low or no fuel to a cylinder. That means no lubrication and a cylinder blows.
Make a proper job, get a manual.
Always use Stabil in your fuel.
 

chrillolin

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Re: 1980 150 HP Mercury V6 - not getting full power

Thanks for your reply.
The problem is solved for my part (But I?m not the one who started the thread!)
In my case there was like susp. pointed to: Dirt in the carburetors. Took them down. Teared them apart. cleaned, put new gaskets and back. The only place I could find a lot debris was the lowest carb. In the float chamber there were some and thats also in that place where you find the main jet (at the bottom). So dirt there is - Problems you got! (Main jet plugged=No fuel at higher revs).

So for You in the future who got the same I would suggest cleaning the carbs as one of the first steps. It take some hours, but then you now that it?s done and it certainly don?t cost?s more than some new gaskets. And that won?t cost You more than it costs driving your engine in ten minutes!

@Kernal3 I hope You find Your problem too!

Greetings from Sweden.
 
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