(1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

chris414

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I just recently bought a '77 / 85 horsepower Johnson. It runs with little cranking effort. I was told the water pump or impeller needed to be replaced. I lowered the unit and replaced the impeller. But when I crank the engine using a flushing water mount, water would not circulate through the water hoses on the engine block. I lowered the unit just to make sure the impeller and housing was intact and to make sure my hoses that connect to the water pump were connected. Everything in lower unit checked out fine. But, I'm still troubled as to why there is no water pumping through the engine or even the water (pee) hole. I don't really know what else to do except replace the thermostat or the entire water pump. I also want to be careful about not letting the engine run for a long period of time without proper cooling. I appreciate any input or suggestions.
 

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

Bump! I'd be interested in hearing the answer to this as well. I have a '72 Evinrude Starfire 85HP with the same problem, and believe them to be basically the same engine. Also If anyone knows where I can find a new transmission selector switch, that would be terrific!
 

fire831

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

My 1978 85HP had alot of crud in the head covers. I just replaced the head gaskets and head cover gaskets on mine. Be glad your's isn't a 1978 because head gaskets are $46.75 each from Evinrude dealer. All other years you could get at NAPA. I have not ran mine yet but hopefully this week as I'm waiting on my thermostat kit. I also replaced my whole water pump. The impeller looked good other than where the key went was wallered out. Good luck.
 

johnson1989

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

Look here for diagram

http://epc.brp.com/default.aspx?brands=ej&lang=e

#12 is your water deflectors

You have a few things that could be causing your problems. I just looked at the diagram for your engine and it is similar to my 89 110HP. You do have thermostats and Water Deflectors. Just because water is not coming out of the tell tale doesn't mean water isn't flowing. Check for the tube and anything else in path for clogs. Pull pull the tube after the stat and look for water flow you may have a restriction. IS either side of getting warm? Too warm to touch? That would allow you to find out which bank is overheating.

You have one or combo of these. You replaced the pump so as long as you double checked you should be good. Otherwise you have a bad Stat or Swollen Water Deflectors. Might as well replace both. I had replaced my stats and pump and still had overheat issues on my left side. Turned out to be swollen water deflectors. I will post back a link to mine which has J Reeves Definition of the Deflectors.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

Chris.... The 1977 V4 model does not have a water tell-tale outlet. If you're speaking of the two exhaust relief holes that are at the rear of the exhaust housing just below the powerhead, water might not exit there unless the engine is in the water.... and even then, it may not be continuous.

Those holes, besides allowing exhaust back pressure to escape when in the water, are designed to allow water to escape should it reach that level (a inner housing exists with water between the two to cool the outer painted housing).

When you say cranking...... a engine cranking would be what is happening when the engine is actually cranking over via the electric starter. Do you mean cranking or are you speaking of the engine actually running?
 

chris414

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

I appreciate it Joe. It never even crossed my mind that the hoses on the back were exaust hoses. I know a little about engines, but i'm no expert. Yes, the engine runs at normal idle with the "muffs", but the engine gets hot very fast. I only had it idling for about 2 min and the motor was hot all over. So hot that i could not touch the heads for mor then 5 sec. I will admit that I closed the choke for a about 2 sec. when I was cranking it. I don't know if that caused the engine to get hot so fast (having it too rich). If i could just only find a way to see if everything (water pump, cooling) is running properly, it would put my mind at ease. I just don't want to burn up motor. Someone told me to run weed trimmer line through my water lines to find out if there is anything clogged. Would that help too? I appreciate your help on this one.
 

ezeke

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

The hoses are not exhaust hoses. They are the main water hoses leading to the thermostat housing from the engines cooling circuit. The water flows through the engine first and then to the thermostat. If the thermostat sticks closed, the water cannot circulate. If the housing gets clogged, the water cannot circulate.
 

chris414

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

I was wondering that if i have it idling with "muffs", is water suppose to circulate through the hoses and exit through the portal (pee hole)? And if no water is present, what would be the next best step to take? I appreciate any input on this pesky task.
 

ezeke

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Look at this diagram. The water goes into the engine, but also flows through a bypass. When the thermostat opens, the water flows through the engine to the thermostat and out. There are two ways out for the used water, back through the second water tube or through the exhaust relief.
 

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Joe Reeves

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

Chris.... Re-read my reply and you'll find that I said nothing about hoses.

Running on a flushette (hose), the water must be turned on full force on the higher hp models (yours).

I'd suggest that you drop the lower unit again and make absolutely sure that the key is engaging that impeller, and seal the water pump plate to the lower unit and the impeller housing to the plate. Use Boat Armor Sealer 1000 which is available at any reliable auto parts store, or OMC Adhesive at your local dealership..... I'm sure it's called something other than OMC Adhesive now but the dealership will know what you want.

That water pump housing should have a custom shaped O Ring that seals to the plate. If it is not perfectly sealed, therein lies your problem.

When all is well and the engine still overheats, it is usually a water deflector problem as follows:

(Water Deflectors)
(J. Reeves)

Water deflectors are actually lengths of 3/8" outside diameter rubber hose, installed between the top cylinder and any cylinder beneath it, and also between the bottom cylinder and the block. The purpose of the deflectors is to have the water follow a deffinite path around the cylinder walls. Unfortunately the deflectors between the cylinders will at times swell sideways due to either a previous bad overheating problem, or simply due to age and salt corrosion. This causes a water flow restriction which usually allows the water to cool sufficently at low rpms but not at the higher rpms.

This hose material can be purchased reasonably at any automotive parts type store if you care to make your own, or you can purchase individual deflectors at any Evinrude/Johnson dealership at a somewhat higher cost.

Removing and installing them can be a hassle at times, but not always. I use a sharply pointed scribe with about 1/4" of the tip bent at a right angle whereas I can reach in, jab the tip sideways into the rubber, then yank it out. It's necessary to clean the seating surfaces where the ruber contacts the block with a small rat tail file to eliminate salt deposits etc. When installing the new rubber deflector, coat the deflector and the metal surfaces with WD40 which will act as lubrication to allow it to go in as easily as possible.

Make sure that you insert something into that deflector area before cutting and installing the deflectors if you make your own so that you will be certain that they are the right length and also that they will be seated properly. Usually a very small amount will be left extending about the block sealing area..... simply cut the excess off with a single edge razor blade.

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store
 

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

I have just joined and i bought a boat with an 85hp Johnson motor, this info helped out alot. Thank you :)
 

kenmyfam

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

I have just joined and i bought a boat with an 85hp Johnson motor, this info helped out alot. Thank you :)

Welcome to iboats.
Did you use the search function to find this ??
Wow it's over 2 years old. Feel free to start your own threads though.
 

Richard1968

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Re: (1977) 85 HP Johnson not cooling..just replaced impeller.

My nephew found this site for me. i have just bought the boat and it had a few problems. I bought a new bilge pump and installed it and i had to wire up the night lights and the live well and bilge pump. I put new switches in it and everything works like a charm. Im still a little worried about the cooling system though. My gf and her son and i took it out on the lake and ran it out pretty good. We went back and i got in the water after i killed the motor and the lower section that was under water was cool but the part that was above the water was warm if not hot, i could touch it and not burn but it was hot, is this normal? Thank you for any input :)
 
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