1977 25hp feels like I hit a stump every 10-15 seconds while running in gear...

oneneo3

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1977 25hp Rebuilt carb, fresh plugs, new impeller, drained lu oil and it looked good, no metal that I noticed.
Problem is that while I was test running in forward gear, down the river 1/2 throttle or so, that the motor jerks just like I hit a log. Does not do it at idle speed.
Also, during the short test run, it picked up and ran fine except for the kick, then when slowing down it died. Very hard to restart after that. Got it fired back up, then it ran fine back to the ramp, then slowing down, it died again. Ideas?

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wilde1j

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Re: 1977 25hp feels like I hit a stump every 10-15 seconds while running in gear...

Either linkage adjustment, or more likely worn clutch dog/fwd gear. This is usually caused by slow, gentle shifting. Brisk and deliberate is the way to do it.
 

oneneo3

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Re: 1977 25hp feels like I hit a stump every 10-15 seconds while running in gear...

I think this motor was remote steer at one time, so the linkage being out of adjustment is very possible, but I have converted it to tiller steer now, but the damage might be done. I understand brisk shifting.
Would you suggest i tear the lu down and inspect? Could it be a bearing somewhere? When I was running it I actually thought I was hitting something under the water.

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kfa4303

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Re: 1977 25hp feels like I hit a stump every 10-15 seconds while running in gear...

probably not a bearing. you have classic symptoms of a worn clutch dog (i.e. the "I hit a log" sensation), which would be understandable after 34 years of wear and use. it's not that hard to get to or replace. the only way to confirm or rule out the dog is to look at it for yourself. if you're lucky you may be able to flip it around and get a bit more life out of it, but probably best to get a new/better one, if at all possible. check salvage yards or local mechanics for an old lu. you may get lucky and get the whole thing for the same price as a new clutch dog and you'll have all the extra bits should you ever need them. good luck.
 

HighTrim

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Re: 1977 25hp feels like I hit a stump every 10-15 seconds while running in gear...

Unfortunately they are not cheap. They should have precisely machined edges, once they round, an increase in RPMS will let the dog and gear jump apart, then get re engaged by the linkage, giving you the sensation that you hit a log.

I had a couple extra, but believe I sent my last one to another poster on here that needed a dog. Ill look around in the dungeon.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1977 25hp feels like I hit a stump every 10-15 seconds while running in gear...

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
(J. Reeves)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are precisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are precisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those precisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters with manual shift engines have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those precisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 

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Re: 1977 25hp feels like I hit a stump every 10-15 seconds while running in gear...

That motor has snap shift detents to help hold it in gear. When it gets so worn that it jumps out of gear anyway, it is really worn. Don't expect to get by with just a new clutch dog. Unless you are lucky enough to win the lottery, the forward gear is worn out too. Putting a new dog against a worn out gear is folly, and a waste fo good money and parts.
 
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