1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

Eric the Red

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Earlier this summer I bought a 1976 Reinell 20' Cuddy with a Mercruiser 250 CID GM inline 6 and a Mercruiser Pre-Alpha outdrive. It ran when I bought it, but didn't by the time I got to the lake the next morning. Long story short, after masquerading as a marine mechanic every evening for a month, and after replacing the intermediate shift cable, thermostat, and water pump, then the head (with hardened valve seats and all brand new valves) and the exhaust/ intake manifold (new BARR), the exhaust elbow, the interior exhaust bellows, spark plugs, wires, cap, rotor, points, battery, and battery cables, we finally made it to the lake and were able to actually pull away from the dock. -yay-

The boat and motor steadily improved over the next 3 weeks as I tweaked the carb and valve lash, and we were able to get in a couple of tubing trips with all 5 kids and an overnight trip with just the Admiral and me before disaster struck yet again...

We were pulling the tube with 3 kids on it (HO Atomic 4 from Costco) at 3000 RPM (WOT is supposed to be 3900-4300 I've read, but I've never run it that high. 3200 is as much as I can get, and even that was decreasing slowly), 140 degrees, great oil presure, motor was humming right along at 25 mph for 10 minutes or so, and BANG! Out of nowhere we got one bang then the engine died very suddenly, and the boat stopped dead in the water almost sending the other 2 kids through the windshield, luckily the Admiral was facing backwards in a chair, and I was braced and standing.

Before getting the ride of shame back to the dock, by 4 drunk dudes at 20 mph that were nice enough to try and kill my entire family by slamming us into not just the dock, but the gas station, and then a sheer rock wall, I was able to do some trouble shooting. Needless to say, my 36 year old body has felt better, but the boat and family survived. Never, ever try to stop a 4,000 plus pound object travelling 12 mph by putting your body in front of it. I got better...

Back to the trouble shooting. Starter engages, but can't turn motor over. I pulled the plugs, they look perfect, and no water in cylinders. 160 psi in each cylinder. Removed rocker arm cover, valve springs, valves stems, and push rods look great from what I can see. Oil is right at the full mark, and still looks new. No oil slick behind the boat when we stopped. Outdrive 'looks' ok. Shifter seems to be working. While being towed I could shift into forward. There is a 'clicking' and the outdrive tries to climb the rams.

Anywho, I think its the upper outdrive, not the kill switch or starter solenoid...

Any suggestions whould be appriciated.
 

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Re: 1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

Ayuh,.... Welcome Aboard,.... Pull the drive off, 'n try it....

Then you'll know whether it's the motor,... or drive is the problem...
 

Eric the Red

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Re: 1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

I'm gonna pull the drive, just haven't had time. Grid Kid's Football just started for the 2 boys, with practice in the evenings. I'll post as soon as I see if the motor will turn over with out the outdrive. I've been into the lower unit a few times now, but have yet to look inside the upper. Will try to get some pictures or video up of what I find too. Should be fun... :)
 

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Re: 1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

160 PSI in each cylinder.....in a motor that wont turn over??? Interesting.
 

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Re: 1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

160 PSI in each cylinder.....in a motor that wont turn over??? Interesting.

He says starter enguages but will not turn motor over. Must mean that he can turn the engine with a wrench?
 

Don S

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Re: 1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

I think the point with the 160 psi of compression comment, is the fact that you can't have compression in any engine if it won't turn over.
Even if you could turn it with a wrench, you sure won't get 160 psi.

At this point, we have no way of knowing if the engine or drive is locked up until he pull the drive and tries to turn it. Hopefully by trying to turn it by hand and with the starter.
 

Eric the Red

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Re: 1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

160 PSI in each cylinder.....in a motor that wont turn over??? Interesting.

HaHa! I actually reread my post before you noticed and I said the same thing. Sorry, I should have edited that for clarity. It was a really hot thread at the time, so I figured I'd have more info after my next post, and no one would notice. Good catch!

I had just checked the compression prior to my trip that day, since I just replaced the head and manifold in the previous weeks. I wanted my status before my trip, since I had run it about 10 hours over 2 days with the new parts. So, before I left the dock on the day it stranded us, I had 160 psi in each cylinder.

Hope that helps.

I have yet to pull the drive, but will soon.
 

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Re: 1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

Before pulling the drive, remove the upper unit's vent plug and see where the lube level is at, piece of wire or a zip tie to probe down until you read lube if necessary. If the lube level dropped enough to uncover the upper gears............
 

Old Fish

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Re: 1976 Mercruiser 165 GM inline 6 w/ Pre-Alpha OD won't turn over...

Had the same motor and drive in one of my boats. Was driving along and same BAM. It was the upper gear in the drive take upper cap off look inside see if gear teeth are broken off
 
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