1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

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I have a 1973 Johnson 65hp. When I run it at half throttle for about 10 or 15 mins it shuts off and has no spark. After sitting for about 45 mins or an hour it will fire right back up and run fine for a while. I've found if I unhook one plug it will run longer, but after a while will still do the same thing. I can feel the side of the engine when it dies and it is not hot. Wondering if it's my coils or what? I just don't see all three coils stopping at the same time. Dont know a whole lot about outboards but I am a diesal mechanic, so I know the mechanics. Any info on what might be wrong would be appreciated.
 

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Re: 1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

Usually when you loose spark when the engine is warm it is an ign system componet that is overheating and shutting down the ign system.
There are several componets in your ign system, you are going to have to trouble shoot when it is acting up.
You can go to the CDI website, look up your engine, and use their troubleshooting guide to help you out.
 
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Re: 1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

That's what I'm figuring. I just didn't know what all pieces there were in the ignition system on an outboard, or what one would shut the whole system down when it get's hot. It will still crank like crazy just no spark
 
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Re: 1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

Thanks. I guess its time to break out the garbage can full of water and see if I can get it to shut off here in the drive way. Appreciate the help.
 

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Re: 1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

Keep us informed on your progress.
 
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Re: 1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

will do. Probably start messing with it this weekend hopefully
 

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Re: 1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

Remove the black/yellow ire from the powerpack (Kill circuit). If this solves your shut down problem, in all probability the ignition switch has a intermitent short, in which case replace the switch. NOTE: Of course, with the above black/yellow wire disconnected, you will not be able to shut down the engine via the ignition switch.

Also, look closely at the stator under the flywheel and inspect for a sticky looking substance to be dripping down on the timer base and powerhead area. Should that stator be starting to melt down, that would result in an AC voltage drop to the capcitor within the powerpack which in turn will result in weak, erratic, and eventually no ignition (spark). Should that stator be in the melt down process, replace it.

NOTE: A shorted rectifier would cause the stator to overheat prematurely. Your rectifier may be perfectly okay BUT it's a good idea to check it out anyway.... especially if you've had problems with your tachometer and/or keeping your battery charged.

(Small Rectifier Description & Location)
(J. Reeves)

On most 2,3,4,6 cylinder engines, the small rectifier is located on the starboard (right) side of the engine just in front of the engines electrical wiring strip. There are a few older V4 engines that have the wiring strip on the rear portion of the engine and the rectifier would be located just under that terminal strip. The smaller horsepower engines usually have the rectifier located on the starboard side of the powerhead close to the carburetor area.

The rectifier appears to be a round object approximately one inch (1") in diameter and also about one inch (1") high. The base of it is sort of triangular in appearance and is attached to the engine with two (2) screws/bolts..... usually one screw/bolt is larger than the other. The rectifier, depending on which one your engine uses, will have either:

One Red wire, one Yellow wire, and one Yellow/Gray wire, or One Red wire, and two Yellow wires.

Note that either of the above rectifiers could have a fourth wire which would be Yellow/Blue

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(Small Rectifier Test)
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Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.
 
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Re: 1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

Ok Thanks. I will check all that when I get on it this weekend.
 
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Re: 1973 Johnson 65hp Quits and wont start when warm

So I looked at the engine finally and tested the rectifier. It tested good from the troubleshooting you gave me, but the red wire rubber is broken and the cable had that green buildup on it. Im thinking that may be causing some problems. Also all three of my coils have cracks on the housings. Do you think either two of these problems may be causing all three coils to stop firing at the same time?
 
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