1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

JPBJustin

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Hello, I've been working on my 1972 4HP Evinrude outboard. Been all around it. Reworked thetopend and have a pretty healthy spark (enough to jump a good size gap on a spark plug tester.) Went through the little fuel pump and all the gaskets look good. Got the thing pumping fuel into a cup at a pretty good rate. Swapped out the impeller to be safe and changed the oil in the gearcase. (Now its leaking, but that'll be another project for when she's running.) Carb is nice and clean. It does have an old cork float but it appears to be doing what its suppose to. The engine will only run for a little bit and then dies out. I have an original manual I bought, so I have the correct positions for the carbs high and low speed needles. I moved them around and seemed to find a sweet spot where iteuns"better"but still stalls. Just recently took apart the intake to make sure the leaf valves weren't messed up. All looked well and now I need gaskets for that to reassemble.
Now I am unsure of where to go from here. Any ideas?
 

oldcatamount

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Re: 1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

Next time you have it running and it starts to die, give the primer bulb a couple of squeezes. If the motor picks up, the fuel is being restricted either by the fuel pump itself or a dirty low speed circuit in the carb or a bad fuel line. Is the vent on the fuel tank open?
 

JPBJustin

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Re: 1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

I did attempt the hand pump method when I was trying to get her going, and I did not notice a change at all. The vent in the tank is open, infact I decided to test it with compressed air and blew the seal right out of it, so it works both ways now. I wasn't sure if this would interrupt the fuel system at all, I assumed the one way vent was more to eliminate fuel vapors escaping the tank when it was sitting around the garage, or in your car. Just incase I tried to start it while holding a finger over the vent and pumping the bulb with no results. Also, while I had the compressed air handy, I blew out all the other parts I could in the fuel system, including fuel lines, tank screen, carb, & fittings. As far as I know this motor was laid to rest before the ethanol fuel was the only type you could buy, so I don't think any of the lines or carb have been tortured till now. I was planning on replacing them with the alcohol resistant type. That of coarse with have to wait untill the thing will actually propel something down the river for me. The one thing I did not do was pull the needles all the way out and blow air and carb cleaner in from that direction. The high speed needle you can access easy enough to clean out, I'm not sure how well the cleaner would get to the low speed needle. Also to add, is that the carb was never dirty, even the first time I pulled it apart. I still cleaned it 2 or 3 times, but it looked pretty fresh from day one.
I'll add some history of the motor as well here. The thing was my fathers, and it ran great while he had it. One day it started acting up, and he was informed that the top end needed some attention. It had the old coils that would get all cracked up, and stop working. He took the coils, condensers, and points off and brought them in to see what it would cost to replace. He used the thing to push along a small canoe around the rivers, so when he got the price for everything he said he'd rather just paddle. Needless to say I was told all I'd need to get for the thing were the parts mentioned above, and she'd be good to go. As you all know I got spark now, and she's not good to go quite yet.
One thing I did notice last time I had the thing going for a second or two, was that the motor seemed to flucuate. It would run for a second sounding healthy and then start to die out. Usually it repeated this process 2 or 3 times at the most, and did eventually stall out. Would it be worth getting the carb kit and pulling the needles out to clean and repack? Or do these symptoms sound like they might originate elsewhere?
 

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Re: 1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

sounds like you should really do a complete carb cleaning/kit job , just soaking and blowing compressed air through usually just moves the crud from one spot to another. its crucial to remove the welch plug and run a tiny wire through every hole from top to bottom, blow it out again and repeat a few times.
 

JPBJustin

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Re: 1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

Yes, I felt that way as well. I went and bought the gaskets for the intake today and bought the carb kit as well. Again everything looked nice and clean, but now I'm sure and can rule it out. After fooling around with it for three days in a row I've noticed something else. It appears to run longer after its been sitting. For instance when I first gave it a try today she stayed going for almost half a minute. Or if I give it a break and come back to the project. Still doesn't stay running for long, but a noticeable improvement. Just hoping that tidbit of information helps.
 

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Re: 1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

Get a can of BRP 2 stroke engine tuner and decarb/clean the inside of the engine. If the rings are sticky it can screw up the compression and make it hard for the engine to run right. I just went through the same thing with my little four horse.
 

JPBJustin

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Re: 1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

Just an update. Went and purchased the BRP Engine spray. I'm not sure why, but the thing stayed going for quite a while on its own when I attempted the first start. It was still fluctuating and still stalled when you try and open it up. To get the spray through the thing I had to keep it running with a drill. The can said to let it sit for a while so that's what she's doing now. I'll update again when I get back to it!
 

JPBJustin

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Re: 1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

So there've been a few things that have changed since last post. I found an Evinrude outboard online for $250. Same year, slightly different model. Had a "weedless" gear case instead of the 90 degree one on my original. Still tried the Engine tuner spray on the original, as mentioned above, but there was no improvement when I went back the next day to run it. I had also sprayed the new motor I bought while I had the can out. Needless to say the new motor appeared to run awesome for a day. (Also started and ran when I bought it) It started to idle down randomly, but would come right out of it. A day later the thing just stalled and wouldn't start back up. I remember reading on here that someone had a problem where their motor would only start out of the water. I tried a version of this on the way home, and it seemed to run if you kept the propeller just under the water. (I attempted to keep water running through the impeller intake as much as possable.) Didn't last very long and eventually stopped running all together. I was hoping it was an electrical issue, since I've become quite familiar with the magneto, but there was a strong spark on each cylinder when I tested it. So where I'm at now is I have two 4HP 1972 Evinrudes with fuel and spark, but won't run. I'm guessing I need to figure out what I'm getting for compression next, but I've yet to invest in a compression tester. Summers in full swing now, and I have no boat! What do I do next?
 

silversniper

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Re: 1972 4HP Evinrude - Will not stay running!

Hi I have a 1969 Johnson 4hp mounted on a mirror sailing dinghy. I had the same problem and I think it may have been caused by the eight water exhaust ports being submerged underwater due to the dinghy's low transom - especially with me sitting in the stern. It seems to run better now that I've mounted it higher and I sit further forward. Now it only rarely cuts out when underway.
 
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