1968 Evinrude 65HP no spark

Criv69

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Recently go a 1968 evinrude 65hp 4 cylinder. First attempts to start it went nowhere as it had no spark. I cleaned the points and I regained spark. After a couple shots of starting fluid it fired up, unfortunately the throttle was stuck open and revved pretty high. Before I could get to the throttle to slow it down it died. After this I'm back to no spark. After checking and rechecking everything I could think of I noticed the amplifier was hot enough to burn you. Is this a sign that it is bad? I did notice most of the wiring insulation on the other wires is starting to crack and chip but couldnt find anywhere the wires would have crossed. Before I spend the $200+ I'd like to know your opinions on if I'm on the right track and should just replace the amplifier.
 

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Amplifier should not get that hot. Before you connect any amplifier, new or otherwise, make sure the entire electrical system is 100% good. Those amps are extremely sensitive to electrical faults. Poor connections, sparks and surges are killers.
 

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Im fairly certain the amplifier that is in it now is a replacement.

Im working on making a new harness. The old one as stated was shot.

is there something that could be substituted for the amplifier? They are $$$
 

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If you wanted to you could get rid of all the CD crap on it and convert it over to plain old battery ignition.
 

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If you wanted to you could get rid of all the CD crap on it and convert it over to plain old battery ignition.

I don't know if that would be doable. In 1968 the distributor was relocated to under the flywheel. Up until then the V4s had used a belt driven distributor, and the swap would have been quite easy.
 

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In 1968 the distributor still had breaker points though. As long as you have breaker points you can make any battery ignition work.
 
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In 1968 the distributor still had breaker points though. As long as you have breaker points you can make any battery ignition work.

I guess i never really thought of that. It sounds like it would be pretty simple set up. Would a standard "universal" ignition coil work? From just a quick look on ebay it looks like they are rated anywhere from 25k to 60k volts.
 

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Watching these forums for years, I've seen lots of threads concerning replacing amps with auto coil. But I have yet to read any showing that it was really successful. For one thing, the dwell angle of the points is all wrong. For another, those under flywheel distributors were crap. You could have a half inch spark going in and be lucky to get a quarter inch coming back out.

Sure, the conversion will work. But let's hear a testimonial on how long and how well.
 

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AND...Even if it is successful, consider the breaker points. Used as intended with the amplifier they do not arc and burn. Used with coil and condenser, they do, just as with any old car. Yeah, they go lots of miles, but eventually you have to replace them. Checked the price lately??
 

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I feel like replacing the points down the road might be a better and cheaper option than replacing the amplifier. The amplifier is $200+
 

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A popular on-line source prices the points at $72.00 ea., and there are two. Granted the amplifier is $$, but you shouldn't have to be replacing them, if the system is maintained properly.
 

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I feel like replacing the points down the road might be a better and cheaper option than replacing the amplifier. The amplifier is $200+

.....and you will be lucky to find the points for much under $100- for a set....I think that is X 2 for that motor.
The basics of that ignition system are virtually the same as the 55 HP of that year. I know it intimately....and still have the scars to prove it.
If it were me and I had the opportunity to do it all again ....and avoid the scars....:).... I would either just run away....or proceed in this order:
1) Pay attention to F_R....he is bang on....
2) replace every original wire under the hood.....cleaning grounds and connections as you go ....meticulously. There are so many minor faults that can cause major issues and take out components that you need to be absolutely anal about it.
3) There have been a number of questions in here about these early CDI models and I shared a lot of my pain in responses. I am not going to retype all of it but it should be available in advanced searches using CDI issues, 55HP etc. I am not a Guru like a few of the posters in here, but did a major electrical refurb on a Johnson ~ 55 HP.... full new wiring harness....had to make it myself....all joints heat-shrunk...etc. This was after taking some shortcuts and blowing $400- worth of new electronics that had failed the first time, requiring the replacement. It is a bit like painting over badly prepared surfaces.....it never ends well.
The key is that there are no good shortcuts and that bad connections can fry really expensive components....that is just the nature of the system.

Before embarking on this if you choose, be sure to do the due diligence checks on compression etc.Make sure there are no hidden landmines.

This ignition refurb will be picky and time-consuming work, but will be well worth it.
I got 5 more years from the Johnson and it actually made it to 36 years service before I sold it for parts.....other things were wearing out....

And be careful of those points. Cleaning them with solvent is OK, but do not use an abrasive method. They are not high voltage conductors and are not subject to the typical pitting you get on "regular" points. There is a hardchrome type finish that makes them last almost indefinitely ...unless some bonehead goes at them with a points file ....then they tend to cause problems fairly soon , and I had to replace them a month or so after that bonehead had at them...but they were only $40- at that time. :)
 
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Does anyone have a good source for the amplifier? The only ones I can find are borderline universal generics starting about $200 that "should" fit. Obviously there are no OEM options available.

Ultimately, If i could get 2-5 years of regular use by switching to a battery ignition I'd be ok with that.
 

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CDI has a good reputation. Their 113-7123 is a re-engineered unit and comes with a matching coil. Having said that, I've never personally used one.
 
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