1967? merc 850/950 lower unit.

rolmops

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Ok, so I could not contain myself and I had to rip into things that I had never seen before.
I picked up an 850 lower unit and tried to put it on a 950.It almost fits,just a few adjustments says I to myself.
It started with cutting away a bit of aluminum to make room for the exhaust housing that the 950 has,but that the 850 lacks.No big deal.
Then I had to change the shift rod from the 950 lower unit to the 850,because the 950 has a longer shift rod.
Removing the shift rods was no big deal.Putting it back in turned out to be a very big deal.The shift cam moved and did not want to move back into place.I tried using the system that Emckelvy described in this forum.It seemed a great idea,but I learned the hard way that shift cams do not know how to read.
I ended up having to open the lower unit.It seemed no big deal,but that was just not the case.
The old prop would not come off even after some very convincing hammering.
Ok no big deal. Out came the old torch and after some very serious heat,the rubber caught on fire and the prop hub came off all by itself,rather fast I should add.It jumped about 3 foot just about where my dog was laying.He now has a burn mark. Ok no big deal.
Out came the old gear pulley and in a show of power the prop housing did come off quite easily.
With a little bit of heat the cover nut came off and now I could use my very own home made slide hammer which consists of a 3/4'' rod about 20 inches long with a couple of long connector nuts a washer and a 2 pound piece of pipe steel which I use to slide against the nut in the rear thereby providing the hammer action.It worked and in no time the propeller shaft and bearing carrier were out of the housing.The cam follower stayed behind in the lower unit but I fished it out and stuck it back into the hollow space of the propeller shaft.
Now it gets interesting.
I held the lower unit up and the cam shaft fell out.There was no way to determine which side has to go up or down.So I used a picture I had made a few years ago from my merc 500 and the reverse ramp went in facing towards the left side and visible from the back.
And lo and behold,the shift rod found its rightful place and I closed up the lower unit in no time at all.
This process took me from 3 in the afternoon till 8 in the evening.
Then I started leafing through a manual and came upon dangerous words like
spring, guide block and what worries me most,3 ball bearing balls with a warning that they might get lost in the depths of the lower unit when the cam follower falls out of the propeller shaft.
In short,should I open the lower unit again and start hunting for 3 ball bearing balls or does the 850 lower unit not have any.
Please give me some good advice and I promise that from here on I will first read the manual and only afterwards do stupid things.
 

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Re: 1967? merc 850/950 lower unit.

I don't know of any ball bearings like they describe but let me know the year and I will double check the pasrs manual
 

rolmops

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Re: 1967? merc 850/950 lower unit.

I just checked and the 850 lower unit I am rebuilding is a 1964.
Laddies,while you check it out,do you think you could describe how to properly insert the shaft cam in its proper place?There are no numbers on this one so I don't even know what is up or down,I just tried to follow common sense,whatever that may be.
Thanks again.
 

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Re: 1967? merc 850/950 lower unit.

Rolmops, there are no ball bearings that can get loose in that unit from the shift shaft coming out. On all mercury engine with that type of shift arrangement the cam side of the shift cam goes to the drain plug side of the unit (left side)
 

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Re: 1967? merc 850/950 lower unit.

Ok, so I could not contain myself and I had to rip into things that I had never seen before.
I picked up an 850 lower unit and tried to put it on a 950.It almost fits,just a few adjustments says I to myself.
It started with cutting away a bit of aluminum to make room for the exhaust housing that the 950 has,but that the 850 lacks.No big deal.
Then I had to change the shift rod from the 950 lower unit to the 850,because the 950 has a longer shift rod.
Removing the shift rods was no big deal.Putting it back in turned out to be a very big deal.The shift cam moved and did not want to move back into place.I tried using the system that Emckelvy described in this forum.It seemed a great idea,but I learned the hard way that shift cams do not know how to read.
I ended up having to open the lower unit.It seemed no big deal,but that was just not the case.
The old prop would not come off even after some very convincing hammering.
Ok no big deal. Out came the old torch and after some very serious heat,the rubber caught on fire and the prop hub came off all by itself,rather fast I should add.It jumped about 3 foot just about where my dog was laying.He now has a burn mark. Ok no big deal.
Out came the old gear pulley and in a show of power the prop housing did come off quite easily.
With a little bit of heat the cover nut came off and now I could use my very own home made slide hammer which consists of a 3/4'' rod about 20 inches long with a couple of long connector nuts a washer and a 2 pound piece of pipe steel which I use to slide against the nut in the rear thereby providing the hammer action.It worked and in no time the propeller shaft and bearing carrier were out of the housing.The cam follower stayed behind in the lower unit but I fished it out and stuck it back into the hollow space of the propeller shaft.
Now it gets interesting.
I held the lower unit up and the cam shaft fell out.There was no way to determine which side has to go up or down.So I used a picture I had made a few years ago from my merc 500 and the reverse ramp went in facing towards the left side and visible from the back.
And lo and behold,the shift rod found its rightful place and I closed up the lower unit in no time at all.
This process took me from 3 in the afternoon till 8 in the evening.
Then I started leafing through a manual and came upon dangerous words like
spring, guide block and what worries me most,3 ball bearing balls with a warning that they might get lost in the depths of the lower unit when the cam follower falls out of the propeller shaft.
In short,should I open the lower unit again and start hunting for 3 ball bearing balls or does the 850 lower unit not have any.
Please give me some good advice and I promise that from here on I will first read the manual and only afterwards do stupid things.

Wow Rolmops: I have never had so much trouble as you are talking about here.

So the new ta you lower unit doesn't bolt up without having to cut aluminum? Yer sayin' and now yer rebuildin' the newly aquired lower unit too? Hope ya didn't give much for it.

I have personally swapped a 1967 650 short shaft, (62 cubic inch inline4) to my 1968 1250 short shaft (100 cubic inch inline6) as a simple bolt up job, the larger inline4s will do that too.

I also know for a fact my 1968 1250 will bolt to either of my 1969 1000 short shaft engines (90 cubic inline 6), (yer 950 is almost the exact same as my two 1969 1000s.

I also have swaped long shaft 1150s with other 100 cubic inch inline 6s. I never had to "trim any aluminum", and would not want to. The shifter rods all fit perfectly, n' ran fine after the swap. Why don't ya find a good lower unit from a 100 cubic inch inline, (lots of em around), as it will bolt up with no messin' around takin' the lower units apart, (which I have never had to do).

Maybe the 76 cubic inch inline6 lower unit, (1964 850) is different then yers so why fix it now? Is yer 950 a surface gap plug Thuderbolt CD points fired or trigger fired, or do ya have the older one? My last parts engine with a great LU, (that would fit another long shaft 90 or a 100 cubic inch 6 or 62 or a 66.5 cubic inch 4) wiring, fuel lines, et al in great shape was $115 early this year, and my others are all similar deals, or I don't open me wallet. Why mess with it? My overpriced $.02 JR
 

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Re: 1967? merc 850/950 lower unit.

Hello Murky,
Half the fun of boating is messing around in your backyard,trying to do things you have never done before.So yes I whine,but I love doing these things.
The 1964 850 lower unit is in pristine shape,in fact it still had the original p157 prop on it.It probably has less than 10 hours on it.The fitting problem is with the exhaust housing seat in the lower unit.The 850s never had the exhaust housing so I had to grind down just a bit of aluminum. Also, the water pump body is a bit larger although the 950 pump fits on it like a glove.Those are the small things I had to change.They made this outboard uniquely mine.
By the way.the compression check gave me an even 120# on all six holes and the carburetor is clean as a whistle.
Yes it is a surface plug fired thunderbolt
I started it up today and it purrs like a kitten.
Yes it is a beautiful thing.
 
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