1963 merc/w pics

funpilot

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I ran a 1952 Tolleycraft utility for years with a 1963 Merc 450 (45 horse). The boat was a marine plywood runabout with a closed bow, about 14.5 feet long. With some patience, my wife and two small boys on board, I could get up salom behind it, and once I figured that out, I stopped dropping a ski. I figure it went about 30 mph full throttle with its cool bronze prop.

man, what memories.

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DARKCLOWN

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1963 merc/w pics

i have a 63 merc 50hp, i put it on my boat and went out today and its slow as hell about 10mph or so, but my boat is very heavy and says on the tag 150hp. when i got it it had a 40hp on it. the engine seems like it runs great think my boat is too heavy? its a 16ft starflite
1964 i think im thinking about swaping everything onto this plywood boat i have same size but lighter but is it worth it how fast can a 50 push a lighter boat or is 10-15 good?



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DARKCLOWN

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

DARKCLOWN said:
i have a 63 merc 50hp, i put it on my boat and went out today and its slow as hell about 10mph or so, but my boat is very heavy and says on the tag 150hp. when i got it it had a 40hp on it. the engine seems like it runs great think my boat is too heavy? its a 16ft starflite
1964 i think im thinking about swaping everything onto this plywood boat i have same size but lighter but is it worth it how fast can a 50 push a lighter boat or is 10-15 good?


well i tried to put pics up
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

Darkclown

You must have your pictures hosted at a site like photobucket.com. It's free. Then copy the URL from there and when you reply here, click on the little yellow box above the reply text area and paste the URL. Or if you like, just send them to me and I will post them for you....

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DARKCLOWN

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

DARKCLOWN said:
i have a 63 merc 50hp, i put it on my boat and went out today and its slow as hell about 10mph or so, but my boat is very heavy and says on the tag 150hp. when i got it it had a 40hp on it. the engine seems like it runs great think my boat is too heavy? its a 16ft starflite
1964 i think im thinking about swaping everything onto this plywood boat i have same size but lighter but is it worth it how fast can a 50 push a lighter boat or is 10-15 good?



s108.photobucket.com/albums/n29/darkclown_22/boat/?sc=6


s108.photobucket.com/albums/n29/darkclown_22/boat/?sc=6
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

I think the problem might be that the wood boat is set up for a short shaft motor. Is the motor short shaft or long shaft? Looks like it's a long shaft. Best to make sure it's gonna work. Measure the transom on the boat and measure the motor. Report findings...

SHAFTEXMP.jpg


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DARKCLOWN

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics


on the plywood boat the transom is 12 inches
so i take it it needs a short shaft so its impossable
to put a long shaft on it man this sucks i have a great motor [ i think] and the boat its on is heavy as my car lol
this guy wants to give me a 15' tri hull open bow sea swril
but it has no trailer for it all i have is the one my boats on

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/boa/191811281.html

thats what he is giving to me but the boats 100 miles away
 

jimmbo

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

Your engine looks like it was a 15" motor that had an extension kit added. Perhaps it could be converted back. You would need shorter drive and shift shafts, and a shorter water tube.
 

sleepinin

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

I'd go with the sea swirl. You're outboard looks like it's been converted from short shaft to long shaft (the thick block under the cavitation plate) I don't know if your shaft inside was changed out or extended. You might be able to remove the extension kit and convert it back to short shaft. I'm guessing on the extension but I don't remember my 50hp ever having anything like that. I think it was a 1968 model.
 

DARKCLOWN

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

the only problem going to get that boat is i have a normal boat trailer [i guess] and do you think that i should go faste with that im usre its a lighter boat
all im lookin for is to be able to tow a tube will a 50 do that?
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

i had a set up with a 50 and a boat like the sea swirl, was a good all round boat. once you get all the rotted floor, transom, and wet foam out of it. it will make you a good boat. your existing trailer with slight modifications will work just find. looks like it already has merc controls.
 

Texasmark

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

First of all you have a vintage engine and it may be in need of some compression. We don't know if the engine is putting out properly or not and could be an issue.

The prop seems to have a pretty shallow pitch which should allow you to push a heavy boat.

The glass boat has an issue and potential issue.

1. It's a deep V. They do not plane out nicely with low hp engines. You need a semi vee (semi flat) hull for that like your wood boat. They (Deep V's) are built for riding (smoothly in) rough water and a lot of the hull remains in the water even though lifting strakes are present. I'd say you would need 100 hp to get any kind of performance out of this. Then as you stepped up in hp, more of the boat would come out of the water and with a lot of hp the deep V would be a real sweet big water boat.....like a 150hp.

2. It could be waterlogged. As you said, it's heavy. The boat is heavy by design, but if you add saturated innerds, you really have a problem. Old fiberglassed boats are bad about getting waterlogged.

On the wood boat:

You said the transom is only 12". You have a motor mount on your transom; I forget the technical name for it. The top of the motor mount to where the water comes under it (when planed out) is what you are interested in. Since it is behind the hull of the boat, when the boat is underway, the water will be closer to the top of the motor mounting surface than it would be if it were a straight transom installation since the boat would most likely be in a bow high attitude which would but the engine deeper in the water. Since it's a used boat you have to assume it worked once......question is, was it on a 15" shaft or a 20" shaft?

You could probably extend a yardstick straight back from the bottom of the boat and if the prop is well below that line you will have to shorten your shaft. If it is within a couple of inches, you are probably setup for a 15" engine.......but I'd bet on a boat that big, with an engine bracket setup like that, that you are setup for a 20" transom and as such your current engine length is ok.

Pulling a tube? You have to get on plane first and that means 17 or so mph. If you did get all your problems solved with this rig I'd bet you would be running just over planing speed, like 20 tops, and you aren't going to do much tube pulling, nor have much fun that slow.

Lastly, those 12" (looking) tires aren't much for trailering a heavy boat down a major highway; and if they have any age to them, weather cracking can make them lethal; for you and anyone driving close to you.


HTH,

Mark
 

DARKCLOWN

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

yes im going to take all the goods of the v boat and junk it its to heavy and i tired of messing with it im going to go get that tri hull and see what i can do with that thanks for everybodys help8)
 

DARKCLOWN

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Re: 1963 merc/w pics

havent a clue its in somones yard 100 miles from me im going on the pics in the link above
 
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