165 I6 questions

Ironside

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hello agian I have been reading posts about the manifolds on this engine are they problematic or a weak spot? and how will i know when it is toast? also i have heard about a coupler between the engine and drive that causes problems ? I have a 1974 fiberform 19 foot with a 165 hp inline six and a 1st gen alpha 165 leg . all and any info is always appreciated here are some pics of the resoration so far . I am new to boats this was my grandfathers until he past now is mine boat pics
 

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Re: 165 I6 questions

G4P,<br /><br />Get a 'water reversing kit' for the mainfold. I'll try and find a part number for you. As for the coupler, just make sure the alignment is good. I had a 165 for 8 years (it was 14years old when I got it), checked the alignment on every annual service. One year I found that the rear mounts had sagged, so I replaced them, re-aligned the engine and never had a problem.<br /><br />Chris..........<br /><br />EDIT : Can't find a part number for that kit, but distant memory is telling me it comes with a new manifold.<br /><br />2nd EDIT : Found it! Try this Water reversal kit
 

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Re: 165 I6 questions

Rear motor mounts and finiky carb, mainly because merc put a substandard fuel filter on it. I would convert to a newer better water seperating filter. Bullet proof motor will run forever.
 

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The other thing to be aware of is the exhaust elbow (sometimes called a 'riser'), They have a limited life and if it leaks water can get into the engine. Usually take them off every couple of years and check them. I use a big screwdriver and try and punch a hole though the 'roof' of the exhaust passage. If you can, it's time for a new one. :D <br /><br />Chris...........
 

Ironside

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thanks for the info guys i will do a few more checks before she hits the water "do not want to reck any thing because i over looked it"
 

achris

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Hi G4P,<br /><br />Just checked the availability of that reversal kit. Bad news, NLA. Good news, it's not hard to make up yourself. All you need is an end cap for the manifold, an elbow for the elbow (no pun intended), a blanking plate for the manifold to elbow joint and a couple of lengths of hose.<br /><br />If you're interested I'll post more detailed instructions.<br /><br />Chris............
 

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I'm curious, Chris. Have you had any positive experience(s) with the water reversal? I have never been able to tell one way or the other, and (so far) have been thinking it hasn't been worth it. I am hoping you have more knowledge than I on this one....?
 

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ya please do tell i may allready have the plumung grandad hooked up some pluming to run a serculating heater box "like in a car " for spring and fall fishing
 

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FreebeTony Has Got to See This.............<br /><br />Tony Self-Engineered a Full Closed Cooling system on his old I6,.... It's working OK,... But Tony still thinks it can be Better.......<br /><br />And,.... I'm Interested in this Concept.....<br /><br />Are we reversing the water flow thru the Manifold Only ???<br />Tony's got Nipples on Both ends of his manifold............Maybe he should Change the Flow ????<br /><br />Talk to Me Chris........ I Gotta Know......... ;)
 

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ok, you're all interested so I make this as long as I can. :D <br /><br />First, the 'reversed' flow is through the manifold only.<br />Now, the way it 'normally' flows is from the thermo housing into the front of the manifold, to the back, up through the elbow/riser and out the boat, yes?<br /><br />Merc noticed in the late 70's that lots of manifolds were cracking. (see the link to the service bulletin I posted). They determined that the reason for the cracking was that with a boat on the plane the manifold didn't remain full, it would have an air pocket at the front, being the highest point. When the boat was slowed down (came off the plane) it would assume a more 'level' attitude, the manifold would level out also, water would move to fill the air space, but it was very hot (due to no water having been in there when the bow of the boat was higher) and the 'cold' water cracked the cast iron. Easy!<br /><br />Merc came up with a very inventive fix. Run the water from the thermo housing to the back of the manifold, then forward to the front cover of the manifold, out through a hose to a 90 degree plumbing fitting in the elbow and out the boat. The open exhaust elbow/manifold gasket was replaced with a plate with one small (1/8") hole as an air bleed. <br /><br />I ran with 165 for 8 years before changing to the 4.3. Yes, I had the water reversal kit, and it ran quite nicely. Just a couple of extra hoses on the manifold. I also had the Merc genuine closed cooling kit. Which cooled everything but the manifold.<br /><br />To include the manifold in the closed section wouldn't be all that hard. Just use a completely closed gasket under the elbow, have the water from the thermo housing go to the back of the manifold, the water from the front of the manifold would then go to the 'RETURN' side of the exchanger. The salt water would exit the exchanger and go to the fitting on the elbow and out the boat.<br /><br />There you have it in a nutshell. Ok, it's a big nut! :D <br /><br />Chris.............
 

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Very interesting........sounds simple enough, but I think I am going to leave well enough alone right now. After replacing the manifold and replumbing the raw water side of the H/E (think I had it reversed) it seems to be running at a constant 180*. This could be a project for next year.....<br /><br />I am wondering though.........I understand about the water 'sloshing around' inside the manifold when the boat is at different angles.....but I wonder if it would matter as much with a closed cooloing system being that the water is circulating , rather than 'leaving' the system as in the raw water cooled system.
 

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FBT,<br /><br />Yes, I had thought of that. As long as there is no air in the system it shouldn't be a problem. You can't create an air pocket if there is no air. I posted the description of the system operation mainly at the request of others.<br /><br />Chris.........
 

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Originally posted by FreeBeeTony:<br /> This kinda died off fast...........
I just wanted to be Sure that You got a Look at it...........<br /><br />Interesting concept,..... I guess in your closed system,.. It probably Isn't a factor........
 
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