115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

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I recently purchased a skeeter bass boat with an 84 Johnson 115 V4 VRO on it. First time out it ran great. Yesterday, put it in, it ran great for a bit then would not rev out under full throttle. Put it in nuetral you could rev it out. In forward it felt like there was a load or restriction keeping it from revving out. I discovered a broken skeg and a large ding in the prop upon pulling it out of the water, but the prop turns over fine by hand. I tested the cylinders and got 105 for 1,2,3 and 65 for cylinder four. Can the problem be in the lower unit? I plan on seeing if the low psi if from a stuck ring. Im going to lube it and see what happens. Then pull the head if that doesnt help and probably replace the rings. But im still stuck on why the motor wouldn't rev out. What can be damaged in the lower unit that would cause that? Thanks!

update: lubed cylinder 4 over night. gained almost 10 psi on so we're up to about 75. still a bit off from that 15% number they want you to be at. I removed an inline fuel filter to make sure it wasn't a fuel restriction. I cleaned the fuel filter on the motor. I also fogged the motor with Mercury PowerTune and let it sit for a couple hours. Motor ran fine in gear with the muffs on it. We trolled out to a spot in the lake and started it up. It smoked like a chimney as expected. I put it into gear and it seemed like it wanted to go for a brief bit and just as it seemed like it was gonna rev and get towards plane, same thing, pedal to the floor with no power. Seems like a fuel or ignition problem but wtf? it ran fine just a week ago and now this. I'm at a loss. Please help. I am mechanically competent, just not used to working on marine motors but have a background in 2-stroke motorcycle engines. Towards the end of the run when I was trying to clean out the powertune it started sputtering. Seemed like the plugs were loaded up or fouled maybe from carbon. But I'm still stuck on why it will rev fine when out of the water or neutral then not so good when in the water on load. I was thinking about breaking out the multi-meter and coil/spark checker but I doubt it's the coils. Supposedly the plug wires and plugs were relatively new prior to purchase.

I literally picked this boat up two weeks ago and I'm trying not to start shopping for a new motor already. Any and all help is greatly appreciated. If anyone is a marine mechanic in the north jersey area let me know. I live between greenwood lake and hopatcong areas in Wayne. Thanks in advance to anyone that helps. It's much appreciated.
 

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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

your low compression cylinder has been damaged. Likely from fuel starvation. Best clean the carbs and check closely for air leaks.

do a spark test with a "preset gap tester" to judge the ignition....
 
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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

Does this motor have an electric fuel pump that is run off accessory battery power?
 
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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

I don't know what's going on or if it's because I have a new account but I can't edit my posts...I was going to edit the above to this:

What in the fuel delivery system could also go wrong here (provided plugs and coils are good) ? If the primer bulb doesn't stay solid does that mean anything? It's not like all 4 main jets could get clogged at once. I had my friend squeeze the bulb until throttle yesterday as well and no change. There isn't anything electric in the fuel system that's in the boat or tank, is there?

What about bad fuel? I don't think water in the fuel could be is as it did run well for at least 15-20 minutes before it started acting like this. Could something be damaged in the bottom end - prop shaft, gear unit, etc? If I whacked something hard enough into a log or grounded the prop bad could something get bent causing it to not be able to rev out? I know we were in some shallow water with a lot of weeds and I remember hitting something but it was when we first put it in the water and we didn't have problems till later on.
 

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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

I wouldnt look to much into the lower unit....what you are experiences shouldnt be caused by anything in the gears.

it is almost surely the low compression in the one cylinder...squirting oil in there will do nothing that wont be gone in 2 minutes!

yes you could clogg all your jets in short order if you have a lot of gunk in your fuel system...or the motor wasnt run for a long long time...then varnish can seal over a lot of the carb internals...

if you lean out the flow of gas through the carbs, then you run the risk of scoring the cylinder walls...because were there is no gas, there is no oil!!! so a cylinder just chugging along because the piston rod follows the crank, is doing a lot of damage when it is not getting any gas!!!( ie lubrication)

you are seldom if at all getting HELP in the form of oiled gas into one cylinder from another cylinders carb!!

your only hope is to run seafoam and decarb the motor again....and see if you had a coked up set of rings on that low compression hole...

if not...your motor isnt going to run good until it is rebuilt!

good luck

bob
 
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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

What are "power packs"? Are they the same thing as the ignition coils are or they something separate?

I'm going to order a Clymer manual in order to go over the specs on everything. Any other manual source except them?

I think I read that the cylinder PSI is 120 for the v4's . Can anyone confirm? I think this motor is an 85 as the powerhead is painted grey and all the motors that I've seen to 84 have black powerheads.
 

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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

check the linkage to your spark advance, there is a plastic ball socket that kept falling out on mine, engine would run fine at idle but had no power to plane, i would pop the ball back in its socket and go anouther 20 mins before it would fall out again, then it got to where it wouldnt stay at all, so i had to order one
 
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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

check the linkage to your spark advance, there is a plastic ball socket that kept falling out on mine, engine would run fine at idle but had no power to plane, i would pop the ball back in its socket and go anouther 20 mins before it would fall out again, then it got to where it wouldnt stay at all, so i had to order one

Thanks man! Where is that located exactly?
 

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on the starboard side under the flywheel, it connects the throttle linkage to the spark advance lever, on my 85 hp rude it is here1339963669572.jpg1339963679331.jpg
 
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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

Thanks again. Gonna take a look in a few. One can only pray it's that simple.
 
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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

nope. not that simple. cylinder 4 is now at 60 psi so it's official. it has to come apart. what bollocks.
 

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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

Get the OMC service and parts manual specific to your engine. The after market manuals are not very good.
 

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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

If it wasn't caused by running lean it could be the piston ring in that cylinder turned in the ring groove and got hung up in a port. Thats what happened to mine. There is supposed to be a pin that keeps the ring from rotating in the groove. Somehow the pin broke on mine. Pull the head and take a look. With compression that low I bet you have a scored cylinder and maybe a damaged ring. It was abou 2k to have mine done but I had all 4 cylinders done at the same time.
 

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Re: 115 HP V4 VRo boater won't rev out under load. Revs in Neutral. Please help!

I've got an '86 110HP V4 and it had a bad #1 cylinder (3# compression-rings gone). It would idle fine except for an occasional sneeze. The problem was a distinct vibration under load at low speed, but came on plane easily. Mechanic (BRP authorized) poked out that cylinder, left the others alone, said that the imbalance was of no significance unless I was into racing. All cylinders had been previously poked out .030" back in 1988. The new piston was .064" oversize. Job cost me under a grand.
 
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