Briggs and Stratton outboard

[sloopy]

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first off! don't use fuel from the same fuel tank as the main engine, if the main engine fails because of fuel problems the other is soon to follow. I couldn't overheat the briggs! I tried and tried it just kept running...

 

[roscoe]

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Sloopy, good morning. I meant same type of fuel, not same tank. When on fishing vacations, I carry extra cans of gas in the boat that I can pour into the built-in tank if needed. This is the fuel I would use, pre mixed with 2 cycle oil. This way I wouldn't have to carry along another can with plain gasoline.<br /><br />Anyway, if I have a fuel problem that causes an engine failure, I'm up a long river with a very useless paddle. The nearest gas station is 50+ miles away on a rough logging company owned "road".<br /><br />Glad you had no problems with your water mower. I will have to think on this for a while. Dad still gets a healthy discount on B&S products, but I don't know if or when it would apply to this motor.<br /><br />I suspect the trolling warning is a cover your axx approach by B&S, and that except for use under extreme conditions, everything will be ok.<br /><br />I've got a question for you since I still have not been able to see one of these in person. How is the throttle set up? Traditional twist grip in the handle with spring return? Or sliding lever on the front of cowling?

 

[sloopy]

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its a tiller control throttle every thing is controlled at the tiller except the stop lanyard

 

[roscoe]

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thanks sloopy

 

[Beaux]

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I read in cabella's catalog that it weighs around 55 lbs. What size two stroke O/b does that equillibrate with as far as weight? For $699 n cabelas, they look like a pretty sweet deal.

 

[NathanY]

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Just weighed my 9.9 Evinrude and it weighs about 67lbs. The B&S seems a little heavy to me, but I guess that is how 4 strokes are. <br /><br />Question, are the blocks on those aluminum? Seems to me that they use cast iron, that is what my lawn mower says anyways.

 

[WEH]

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The B&S specification sheet lists the weight at 56 lbs. (Dry).<br /><br />55 lbs. is approximately the same as many/most "name brand" 2 stroke 4 to 8 HP motors.<br /><br />In the Cabela's on-line catalog listing it says; "Because it includes both a manual starter and a Magnetron® Electronic Ignition, it can be used with or without a battery." What does that mean?

 

[rons boat]

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Note to the B&S engineers from a fellow engineer that passes your place on the way to Oskhosh a lot of times. The requirements of an outboard motor requires low speed torque and operation at low rpm for extended periods. This specific design requirement requires the cooling system to disipate large quantities of heat at very low operating rpm while under load. In addition the tolerences you need to achieve long life and high performance require the constant temperature thermostatic liquid cooling which is available only inches away from the combustion taking place. The use of this liquid and a flexable impeller will control heat at all operating rpm and allow closer heat expansion tolerences within the combustion chamber. This should permit you to achieve higher performance for a given displacement and achieve longer life for the materials. Light weight materials such as aluminum should be used for a practical hp/weight ratio and to prevent rapid chemical deterioration. You have made a wonderful air cooled motor for years and most of them play for years running lawnmowers, generators and other useful devices as they run for the most part at constant rpm and carry no load at idle. Please don't pull anothr Eska on us as many of us are still around to remember.

 

[WEH]

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I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, or topic, . . . . however . . . . .<br /><br />I followed roscoe's lead and contacted B&S technical support with a request for more info regarding the "no trolling" issue. I asked at what RPM/throttle setting for how many minutes the unit will overheat and at what RPM/throttle setting is it acceptable to run the motor without overheating. I told them that this issue had developed from several sources within the B&S food chain and I asked them to please elaborate.<br /><br />A week later I received the following reply:<br /><br />"Thank you for contacting Briggs & Stratton E-Customer Support!<br /><br />The dealer you talked to has been misinformed. There aren't any problems with our outboard engine running at idle for long periods of time. The outboard engine is acceptable for trolling although you will find that it might go too fast for trolling because the idle of the engine is higher than on most other outboard engine's in its class."<br /><br />The reply went on to refer me to several articles on the B&S web site that had nothing to do with the question.<br /><br />I think I was just patted on the head and told to go away.

 

[sloopy]

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it is only manual start the Magnetron ignition is a pointless ignition system. its a mess up in the cabeles catalog!

 

[sloopy]

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no more points to set at .20

 

[FlyBoyMark]

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I think the trolling issue they are talking about is under full throttle on a LARGE boat being used as an auxillery motor pushing a very large or heavy load.....in this case the engine is lugging for avery long time...

 

[ajyanka]

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^^^<br /><br />Hey Sloopy and others. Any updates on the B&S outboard. How are they running? Any performance data? I saw one in person for the first time the other day and was lusting over having a cheap back up to the 'ol 25HP.<br /><br />AJY

 

[SoulWinner]

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Why not just get a B&S motor sold in catalogs and retro fit it to the lower unit from a small dead outboard? How hard could it be <br /><br />SoulWinner

 

[SeaMasterZ@aol.com]

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Actually, it was coming across an ad for the Briggs engine that created a chain reaction of memories of my Gamefisher 4.5 (that venerable "air cooled" motor that nevertheless had a water pump to cool the exhaust down in the midsection, which after many years finally died creating the death of the little guy, still ran but the shop that tried to "fix" it destroyed it, giving me some five horse thing that never was the equal of my little chugger) that got me back into boating again, and it occurs to me that there are tons and tons of dead gamefishers on eBay just waiting to be resurrected with a four cycle lawn mower engine ... I dont know about you, but I like to keep the blade razor sharp and the rpm low, and my lawn mowers last years on end. Now not for nothin, but it seems to me that chugging a boat along at a few miles an hour is faster than I push a mower along, so what is the real difference?<br />My uncle is a machine shop owner, I am going to see if I can figure out a way to make one of these matings work, with a long shaft dead motor and a five or eight horse motor - <br />I do enjoy taking pictures with the Digichrome and think that a big muffler on a motor of that size would chug along quite quietly, and with minimal fuel usage - nice way to kill a day<br />of course, when the heat got too hot for the operator, drop the 40's down, and burn up all the fuel I saved, lol, make some wind and wake!<br /><br />

 

[Dogger CDN]

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This is for Miloman.<br />Why can't you get a B&S outboard? I'm a Briggs dealer 2 hours west of Toronto, and my sales rep was just here a month and a half ago with one in his truck to sell. He asked if I wanted to keep some in stock, so they can't be a USA only product.

 

[SeaMasterZ@aol.com]

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uh oh ... sloppy posted that his motor is dead ...<br /><br />I guess "testing' it for low speed use cooked the lil guy<br /><br />this is where that two year warranty thing comes in handy<br /><br />I wonder if they have a zinc hidden somewhere to check and see if there was substantial salt water usage?

 

[Boatman]

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One thing to keep in mind on these small 4 cycle air cooled engines is the fact that they use the flywheel to move air acrossed the motor for cooling. The slower the flywheel is turning, means there is less air movement. I can truly see where they recommend not to troll for extended periods of time with this motor. A lawnmower is designed to run WOT at 3350 rpms. They design lawnmowers to cut grass best at this speed. Alot of the newer lawn mowers dont even have a throttle control, for this reason. <br /><br />I wouldnt be afraid to troll with it some, but every now and then, rev her up and cool it down.<br /><br />One question asked earlier was if the l.unit was built by Merc? I talked with a B&S sales rep, and they said Merc was actually working with B&S to build this motor at one time, this is why it is painted black. My understanding was that they thought it could cause a conflict of interest so they backed down. SO.... I am not 100% sure the l.unit is actually built or designed by Merc.<br /><br />Just a few things to think about.

 

[n0ukf]

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suzuki40, are you selling these? Your post looks to me suspiciously like an ad. I didn't notice a request in here for a sales flyer transcript. <br />I saw one of these motors up here in my local Cenex (Farmers Union Co-op) store.

 

[moderator1]

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Amigadragon, I agree. the post has been deleted.