trailer tire quesiton?

ahendri

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I have this boat its 18 foot if that means anything at all but the person who owned it previously put buick rims and car tires on the trailer and i dont know if this is right or not i want to get back to trailer rims and tires but i didnt know if this was done purposely or not.. thanks guys
 

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Re: trailer tire quesiton?

Rims aren't as important as tires. Conventional wisdom says go with 'ST' tires (Special trailer). Talk to your dealer about rims and size for you trailer .. ;)
 

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Rims are very important. A trailer wheel has "zero" offset meaning the center of the wheel where the lug nuts are is in the exact center line of the wheel if you looked top down. In other words the wheel hub is in direct alignment with the centerline of the tire tread. Car wheels are not made that way. Front wheel drive wheels have the offset to the outside of the wheel. Rear wheel drive wheels have the hub offset to the inside of the wheel. Depending on how heavily loaded the trailer is, offset to the inside (rear wheel drive) places additional stress on the spindle and bearings because because this places the centerline of the tire tread more toward the end of the spindle -- which just happens to have the smaller of the two bearings.
 

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Yeah, rims aren't that important. It's the load rating on the tire. Think of this. Let's say the Buick weighed about 3600#. So, each tire is taking 900#, give or take. Your 18 footer and trailer weighs what, 3000#? If you have a single axle trailer, each tire is taking 1500#. Thats a big difference. You don't see normal tires on a big rig, do you? That's why they make passenger car tires, SUV tires, etc. Get trailer tires or you risk a blowout.
 

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Re: trailer tire quesiton?

Never mind about the rims. Listen to Silvertip, then get trailer tires. :)
 

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Also, passenger tires are generally not appropriate for trailers. A passenger tire is not designed to carry the same amount of weight as a trailer tire, so it's possible your tires are overloaded. We can't say for sure since we don't really know anything about your rig. It sounds like you need to have a conversation with a local tire shop, preferably one that has experience with trailers, about replacing the tires and rims. The trailer also needs to be gone over very carefully to insure that axle(s), bearings and other load sensitive points haven't been compromised as a result of the possibly inadequate tire/wheel setup they've been subjected to.
 

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Check your wheel bolt pattern, the total weight of your boat/motor/trailer, go to Northern Tools or similar hardware supplier and buy the correct trailer tires/wheels(already mounted), and you'll be set and safe to go! If you're in salt water maybe go for the galvanized wheels for a few extra bucks, and remember those trailer tires run more air PSI than most car tires. A blow out at 70MPH on the interstate can kill you!...
 

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Well first off if the wheels are from a Buick, then he also changed the hubs as an older Buick typically is 5 on 4.75, not 5 on 4 1/2 as you would normally find on a trailer. There were some Buicks that used a 5 on 5" bolt pattern also that I've seen used on some very old trailers. You'll have to check by measuring center of lug skipping the adjacent lug to the next lug. What you're really looking at is a bolt CIRCLE. I'm betting they aren't Buick and measure 5 on 4 1/2. There's nothing wrong with a passenger wheel in most light trailer applications as the DOT spec that applies to all passenger car steel wheels is 1575 lbs minimum. Passenger cars wheels come from sources such as Dynamark and Kelsey Hayes who also manufacture aftermarket wheels branded Keystone, American Racing Continental, etc. They buy their outers and centers stamped and welded in Mexico for US assembled wheels. What I'm saying here is wheels are pretty much single source, but built to different offset specifications. It is not true that all trailer wheels are zero offset, a 3/8" positive offset is most common. A little loading is there to prevent bearing chatter. What Silvertip refers to as far as bearing loading is correct in more severe offsets of 3/4" or more. If you measure from the back of the rim to the face of the bolt circle and then do the same from the front, you will determine what the offset is. A positive offset wheel is deeper in the back, a negative offset wheel is deeper in the front.

I spent 5 years as General Sales Manager for Wheeltec and Commercial Tire Inc. My lines were Dynamark, Continental, Ultra, American Racing, BBS, Enkei, MSW, Hayashi Racing, Ronal, Continental, Western, and some private label Cinese stuff. I sold over 750,000 wheels in my day, a great portion of them to trailer manufacturers and wrote application manuals for Enkei and Continental. Check what you've got for offset to be sure, but definitely change out those tires to a trailer application.
 

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Re: trailer tire quesiton?

the trailer has the old lug lag bolts if you will so i dont think he changed anything
 

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An 18' what?

If it's a tinny with a small engine on it, no problem. If it's a bass boat, you're in deep doo-doo.

wheels are rated for air pressure as the tires are. If you put a trailer tire rated for 45 psi on an older automotive wheel, you risk a blowout.......of the wheel itself. Older automotive rims will take about 35 psi tops.

I'm running automotive tires under my bass boat per my tire man's recommendation. They're doing well, and will check out long before they wear out. They have about zero forgiveness factor for under inflation, however. They have a load rating that matches the expected weight.
 

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The air pressure isn't a question with the wheels. Wheels will experience up to 100 PSI in their normal lifetimes. And I'd be finding a new tire guy.
 

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the trailer is 18 foot.. i dont know what size rim to go with because the ones on their look to big for the trailer i didnt know if there was a standard rim size or what
 

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The air pressure isn't a question with the wheels. Wheels will experience up to 100 PSI in their normal lifetimes. And I'd be finding a new tire guy.

Well, I've blown them (wheels), and I'm sorry, you're dangerously flat wrong. Modern rims even have a max pressure rating stamped on them somewhere.

I've had this tire guy for 40 years, along with a couple thousand other customers. Don't think I'll take your advice.


the trailer is 18 foot.. i dont know what size rim to go with because the ones on their look to big for the trailer i didnt know if there was a standard rim size or what

It don't matter how durned long your trailer or boat is. What matters is the WEIGHT.
 

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Trailer rims should have zero offset. There are car rims with zero offset. You can get just about any offset you want in a car rim but the trailer should have zero offset.

As for tires, according to the tire manufacturers and the DOT, you can use them on a trailer if you reduce the load rating by 10%. Having said that, I only use car tires on single axle trailers, not trailers with multiple axles. I have actually had less problems with car tires on my single axle trailers than with ST tires but I adhere to the 10% load reduction. My current boat has ST tires because they came with it when I bought it. When I replace them I will probably go back to appropriately rated car tires if available.
 

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Re: trailer tire quesiton?

Well, I've blown them (wheels), and I'm sorry, you're dangerously flat wrong. Modern rims even have a max pressure rating stamped on them somewhere.

I've had this tire guy for 40 years, along with a couple thousand other customers. Don't think I'll take your advice.




It don't matter how durned long your trailer or boat is. What matters is the WEIGHT.

Yes wheels have a max pressure on them, but it's FOUR TIMES lower than it's fail capacity. And again, after selling 750,000 wheels, I've never seen a wheel fail as a result of air pressure unless it was completely rusted out or had impact damage. It doesn't happen.
You're welcome to do business with whomever.
 

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An 18' what?

Older automotive rims will take about 35 psi tops.

They have about zero forgiveness factor for under inflation, however. They have a load rating that matches the expected weight.

LOL, so when it takes 45+psi to seat the tire on that old automotive rim, you should buy new rims since they have maybe been compromised by that extra air ??

The last statement scares me. I would never buy a tire from your tire guy if he sold you new tires that are only rated to match the expected load.

More is always better.
 

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Re: trailer tire quesiton?

I was in the tire and wheel business for years. Both new and used.
Don't recall ever seeing a blown or split wheel due to over inflation.
 

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Well sir -- I have seen a split wheel. Happend to be an 8-inch trailer wheel. Until they tore down the Skelly gas station in my home town, one half of the wheel was left embedded in the ceiling as a reminder. Besides offset, there is a risk of incompatible lug nuts on automotive wheels as well. As long as everything is compatible, there is no issue. Some high end trailer manufacturers (like Ranger) fit their trailers with mag style wheels that look very much like auto wheels. They do not however, have the same offset as one would run on a car. I do not contend one MUST NOT use auto wheels on a trailer. I do SUGGEST that it not be done UNLESS you know what you are doing. Just because it fits does not mean it is compatible.
 
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