boat manufacturer question.

trabich

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Ok, I am getting ready to buy one of three boats. First is a 1991 Ebb Tide 18'6" open bow. It has a fresh mercruiser 4.6 v6 and is really clean

Second is a 18' 1990 Maxum open bow with the 4 cyl mercruiser motor. This one has been very well maintained.

And finally there is a 1989 VIP 17 1/2' open bow with the 128 OMC cobra. Not sure about the OMC though.


Any thoughts or opinion would be greatly appreciated
 

oops!

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Re: boat manufacturer question.

scratch the omc......dont even consider it.

the maximum is a bayliner hull.

but there cases where a well kept 30 year old boat is in better condition than a 3 year old boat.

the first one with a 4.3 will more than likely be the best choice if it has been well maintained.

mabe tashasdaddy can post a link to his "buying a used boat thread"

hit search.

also post here for any updates you might come into

cheers
oops
 

oops!

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and btw.......welcome to i boats ! :)
 

trabich

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Re: boat manufacturer question.

Now would the 1990 maxum with the 4 cyl mercruiser be a bad choice? I was leaning towards the 91 ebb tide with the 4.6 but I don't like the seating. It has no seats in the rear. A back to back co pilots seat an open bow and a darn pedistal seat (like a bass boat seat) for the pilot. That didn't make much sencs to me. I do like the condition of the vip but it has that omc. It runs great though and has been well maitenanced. Can the omc's not be worked on?
 

smokintoad

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When these three boats were new the Ebbtide was hands down the best quality. The VIP and Maxum boats are production boats. While the quality of what you start with does matter, how the boat was used/maintained is a bigger factor. All are good boats and should serve you well if the previous owner(s) took care of them. As stated, OMC was a great drive in its day but parts will be hard to come by.

A lot of people here advise getting a boat surveyed, this is a great idea however if you are purchasing an inexpensive boat, its hard to substantiate spending 300-500 additional for a survey. One thing I would definitely do is get your hands on a moisture detector and check the transoms.
 

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This is a no brainer. Definitely the Ebbtide. The Maxim is underpowered and not very well built, the OMC drive is a deal killer for the other. Seats can be moved/changed etc. Yep it may be a few bucks but you're putting money in a much better rig. In the long run, you'll be happier.
 

jkust

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For sure the ET. Plus the additional .3 liters is a bonus.
 

JimS123

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Well, everybody has an opinion and they don't often agree.

A VIP is a cheep boat and the OMC drive is a deal killer.

The fresh (I assume new) engine in the Ebbtide is also a deal killer. If he needed the engine replaced, what else didn't he take care of?

The statement "well maintained" in conjuntion with the Maxum sealed the deal. A Maxum isn't all that bad. Saying its underpowered is also just an opinion.
 

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Well, everybody has an opinion and they don't often agree.

A VIP is a cheep boat and the OMC drive is a deal killer.

The fresh (I assume new) engine in the Ebbtide is also a deal killer. If he needed the engine replaced, what else didn't he take care of?

The statement "well maintained" in conjuntion with the Maxum sealed the deal. A Maxum isn't all that bad. Saying its underpowered is also just an opinion.

So, you own a Maxim? 4 cyl?
Stuff happens with motors as we all know, and at least it's been addressed on the Ebb Tide hopefully well. Nor does the OP state what he's intending to use it for so the call that a 4 cyl. Maxim is OK powerwise is a bit assuming also. Definitely find out why it needed motor work and who did it.
I agree that apparent maintenance is a big plus, but a shiny boat does not make it reliable. As my son the sprint car driver reminds me "there's no substitute for horsepower". And in my eyes, initial quality is a big deal. The Ebb Tide is a better platform to spend the inevitable dollars on IMHO.
 

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My boat needed a new motor in 2007 (this was before I bought it). Was only 8 years old. Why? Bad winterizing job and a cracked block as a result. I've seen very little evidence that the boat wasn't otherwise taken care of.

The Ebbtide is 19 years old. All kinds of possible reasons it needed a repower.

The OP needs to inspect all the boats closely and take it all into consideration. And, another thought- is there any chance that the Maxum 4-cyl is the dreaded 3.7 liter (470), or is it newer than that?
 

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So, you own a Maxim? 4 cyl?
Stuff happens with motors as we all know, and at least it's been addressed on the Ebb Tide hopefully well. Nor does the OP state what he's intending to use it for so the call that a 4 cyl. Maxim is OK powerwise is a bit assuming also. Definitely find out why it needed motor work and who did it.
I agree that apparent maintenance is a big plus, but a shiny boat does not make it reliable. As my son the sprint car driver reminds me "there's no substitute for horsepower". And in my eyes, initial quality is a big deal. The Ebb Tide is a better platform to spend the inevitable dollars on IMHO.

Well, we both threw out the "IMHO" card and that's what the OP was asking for. This is not a fact finding question.

No, I don't own a Maxim, but the local dealer is about a mile up the river from us, and there are probably 8 or 10 of them tied at docks in between. I didn't say they were a Caddy; my implication was that they should not be overlooked. Reading people's "opinions" on the net usually makes me chuckle. "IMHO" some of the favored brands aren't all that good, and some of the trashed ones aint all that bad! My next door neighbor is on his second maxim - he traded up in size and his son now owns the old one. Both have given them vg service.

I've never personally had a rebuilt engine installed, but I know several people that have. Some were Ok, some didn't last very long. As they say, "YMMV". It all depends on how good the job was done. As I said, for ME that would be the deal breaker.

I DO own a 3.0 liter on a 19 footer. We ski, tube, fish, whatever. Its propped for what I want to do. The boat I owned before it was a 16 footer with a 75HP outboard. That boat was rated for 90 max. The switch to the I/O was awesome. I never knew my boat was underpowered until I heard it here!
 

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You are not going to find a shortage of opinions of what manufacturer is best, worst or whatever. Quite frankly ?manufacturer? threads are quite useless, yet extremely entertaining.

I put my 2 cents in there for Ebbtide and yes that is what I currently own but I am not an owner of Ebbtide Powerboats Inc. I have no vested interest other than giving a straight opinion. The Ebbtide I purchased was best for what I needed.

I have owned:

Glastron
Baja
Pantera
Active Thunder
FourWinns
Cobalt
Ebbtide

Is the Ebbtide better than the Cobalt? Is the Pantera Better than an Active Thunder? It is like comparing apples to pianos. You can?t compare any of them accurately.

Can you say a 2010 Cobalt is better than 1989 Sunbird? Define the word ?Better?. The 1989 Sunbird has a ?better? price, does it make it a better boat? To some it would.

Price, quality, condition and actual statistics (length, beam?etc) are the only things you can compare. You start to go into opinion when you combine of these 4 factors.

And That is my opinion :D
 

jkust

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I never knew my boat was underpowered until I heard it here!

I never realized my Bayliner or its Force engine was considered broadly to be substandard until I joined iboats either. You really need to compare first hand the same boat with and without the 3.0. I feel my v6 powered Chaparral is not underpowered either but if I drove it with the 270hp optional engine, my paradigm would likely shift. Again though there are so many 3.0's out there compared to 6's and 8's that they must serve the needs of some people. I think in life some people are satisfied with less than others be it a smaller house, lesser car or whatever. I am not satisfied to own a small house so I don't but I am to have a jalopy of a commuter car while my neighbors and my piers can't understand it. If everyone were like me, there would never be another new car sold or leased again but that is not the case. Point being one man's underpowered is another man's 'just glad to be out there'
 
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