ignition problems

pwpns

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I have a 99 stingray with a mercruiser 4.3 liter I have checked the fuel sytem it is not airlocked and pulls 0 " at idle and will pull 9" of vacuum in less than 10 seconds with the line pinced off I replaced the fuel pump because the old one wouldn't. I also just rebuilt the motor and installed a comp cams 266HR cam (266 intake,270exhaust .5" lift and 112 Lobe angle) and a performer 2114 intake and performer 1409 carb with a 1485 (.089 primaries and secondaries and a 68/57 metering rods) calibration kit. The engine will only run to around 2000 rpm without it backfiring and sputtering and completely falliing on its face. I have changed the jets and meter rods to richen up the mixture (.095 primaries and .092 secondaries with a 65-52 metering rods and the plugs are now starting to show signs of running to rich so I'm certain the mixture is not to lean. I have also replaced the coil, rotor and cap, the ignition sensor module and plugs. I run a compression test and have 145 psi +-5psi in each cylinder. I even installed adustable rocker arms studs so I could better adjust the preload on each lifter because of the bigger cam. I haved checked the advance on the timing in both base mode and normal operation and it hase never gone above 20* at 2000 rpm. So I was checking some older posts where it had been mentioned to jump the oil low pressure cut off switch, the drive switch and nuetral safety switch. When I jump the oil and drive switch no difference, when I jump the nuetral switch the engine dies a few seconds after starting. Why will it not run by jumping the switch is this an indication of a bad ICM. Are there any other tests to check the ICM. also I checked and cleaned the grounds. Thanks for any advice possible.
 

[OBC]Patch

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Re: ignition problems

Lower the float level, maybe. Sounds like it runs rich at high rpm. Is the spark arrestor clean? Are the secondaries opening properly? They are on a vacuum-pull-open.
 

achris

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Re: ignition problems

.... The engine will only run to around 2000 rpm without it backfiring and sputtering and completely falliing on its face. ....

Silly suggestion, but valve bounce? Did you replace the valve springs with the recommended ones from Comp Cams? You've increased the valve lift from 0.414/0.428" to 0.500", you may be over compressing the old springs...

Just a thought....
 

chaparall villain 2

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Re: ignition problems

if you have your old carb and it will fit the intake put it on and see what it does.... when i built my engine i tryed 3 different carbs with three totally different results .
 

6meter

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Re: ignition problems

Not sure here but did you have to reprogram the ICM to what you're running now?
 

pwpns

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Re: ignition problems

Sorry I forgot to say but I did install a set of comp cams 983-12 valve spring sets on the heads when I rebuilt the motor. The float level is set to edelbrock specs and the spark arrestor is clean also tried it with it off. As far as I know the ICM is not programable but it isn't a computer control module like the ECM but just advances the timing until it starts to lose rpm so you have the most advance possible
 

achris

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Re: ignition problems

So, it's has a Thunderbolt 5 ignition system. Is the knock sensor is installed?

Is the backfire problem only under load, only without load or both?

I looked up the spec on that cam and it's nothing radical (looks like a really nice choice for a boat :D) so the rest of the system (ignition, fuel, carb) should be good to go...

An issue from your first post.
Jumping the Neutral safety switch would only disable the feature that stops you starting the engine when it's not in neutral (hence the name). It is located inside the throttle and shift controls, not on the engine. I suspect you're jumping the shift interrupt switch. If you suspect that switch you need to disconnect it, not jump it.

Do you have a service manual (OEM)?

Chris.............
 

pwpns

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Re: ignition problems

I have mercuriser manual #25 I downloaded from the adults only section before they got taken down. I also have a clymer manual. It is a thunderbolt V without the knock senor. I have only tested the boat on a no load on muffs, it is a little way to the lake and dont wont to drag the boat there before I get it figured out. I bought a spacer and changed back to the 2 bbl and it still backfires so I switched back to the 4 bbl. I know motors pretty well but not boats is there any thing in the wiring that could cause this I wouldnt be familiar with

Thanks Kent
 

fossill

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Re: ignition problems

Being an aftermarket performace cam, did you put a degree wheel on it when installling?
 

John_S

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Re: ignition problems

I haved checked the advance on the timing in both base mode and normal operation and it hase never gone above 20* at 2000 rpm.

I'm not a V6 guy, but I though they only had an advance of 16-20 degrees, with a base of 10. Total would be 26-30. Having 20 @ 2Krpms seems like plenty.

What engine vacuum do you have at idle and 2K? You might be rich at idle but lean at 2K. Maybe it is shifting to the cruise part of the rod way too early?
 

pwpns

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Re: ignition problems

thanks for the help guys. Im going to replace the lifters and try again I think they are collapsing when I adjust preload and then are pumping up to much. Will let you know if this works

Thanks Kent
 
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