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Tnboater2

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Hi folks,

I am a newbie into the boating world, I just bought the above 21' 1985 Larson DC215 cabin Crusier, with 305 inboard. Interior is in great shape, sleeping area is just like brand new. Floors great, carpet great, seat well great shape, alittle wear but hey its a 85. The guy I got it from was the 2nd owner, and he knew the first owner. Service was always done and maintance was well recorded.

Already had it on the water and just love it, dont know why I hadnt done it sooner, kids love the tubing part of it.

Ok my question I am looking for a cabin cover, for when I go down the road and it trys and rain. Looked on a few boating sites and ebay. When might a person find one thats this old ?


Love the site and more question I am sure as time goes by.


Thanks Iboats for a great site.
 

mnewb1

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don't have an answer for your question but good lookin boat.
 

RAT Attack

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Great looking boat brother.
I have a 1988, 19' cuddy and was running into the same problem. I ended up finding a lady advertising on Craig List that is local to me and had custom fit covers made. I ended up getting a cover that goes just below the bumper rails, another cover that snaps onto the winshield ( mooring ) , a biminy top, a cover that just covers the cuddy opening, and a cover for my wakeboard tower speakers from her. It all cost me about $550, but I contacted her in the winter while business was slow for her. Maybe you can get something like that made locally by someone who wants the work. All about timing I guess....
GOOD LUCK!
I BOATS also has covers that will work though, & it is great to support the people who sponsor this great web-site.:D
 

ezmobee

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A cockpit cover, as mentioned, will be a custom job.
 

Tnboater2

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Ok guys got some questions:

1) Got boat out twice, first time ran great had it out almost 3 hours, when I got boat loaded and removed the plug I got water, I would say it ran about 2 or 3 minutes until it quit, it a 1985 Larson DC215 21' with cabin cubby has a 305 Inboard.

I was pulling a tube so I know with everyone getting in and out I picked up some water, used the bilge pump...... I checked the boots in the outboard area, and every used a hose while at home, and never seen any water coming in.

2) It planied great the first time, but when we went out the second time, it just didnt seem to want to get on top of the water. I am boating in a reservior area. winds was around 15 mph, I tried slowing down and running trim up or down while watching rpm..... trying to match rpms to trim.... I even went with the wind and current which seemed to help.

The second time out we was on the water about 5 hours.

There at times to me it seems the stern was way of of the water complared to what the trim was saying...

The boat runs great, and for a newbie just wondering.

I crawled all around the bottom of boat, looking for any kinds of holes or cracks, the hull is fiberglass.


Where might I start looking, I am sealing anything I feel it might need it....

Also when we are out the bilge area under the engine gets very little water. But when I remove the plug alot more comes out.

Boater needing help.
 

cr2k

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What kind of plug set up do you have? Is it a brass sleeve and a rubber plug or a screw in plug? The former can leak around the sleeve. If this is the case replace with the screw on one.

Best way to check for leaks in the hull is to fill the bilge up with water and look underneath to see where it is coming out from.

Just DO NOT fill up to the level of the starter. If the starter gets soaked it will fail. Maybe not until next summer of maybe next time out.
 

ftl900

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Good looking boat!! I have a 23 ft that came with a custom cockpit cover, and it works very well at keeping weather out. It snaps across the windshield, down both sides, and across the back, overlapping the edges just a bit to help water run off.

Dunno where the cover came from, but it's custom built for this boat and well worth whatever it cost the PO. :D
 

kenmyfam

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Custom cover is the way to go. Worth every penny !!!
Did you check the bellows for splits or cracks ????
 

Tnboater2

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Ok here's the info asked, it's a screw type plug !

Yes I have checked the bellows for cracking checked them first before I posted anything!

Just trying to see where or what I am missing!

Also on the back of boat I have some type of sensors, they are round an have some type of wire or something coming out of them. I am at work right now but once I get home will try an get pics up, I thought it may be getting water in from one of them they are below water line, also was thinking could it be leaking behind swim deck?
 

Tnboater2

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Ok here is a couple of photos, trying to figure out what they are and what is the use of them, I am getting water into the boat, and trying to find out how or why. the photos are of something they are below the water line, there is a wire coming out of the back of each.

I tired fulling bilge area with water, and found no leaks. I have had the boat out 2 times. Each time I get alittle water from bilge pump while out but very little, kids getting in and out I figured I would get some, but once I pull boat out of water, unscrew the drain plug water will run for 2 or 3 minutes full stream... why is water not in bilge area?

trying to find reason or why I can not find leak, waters getting in somewhere.




 

The Famous Grouse

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Ok here is a couple of photos, trying to figure out what they are and what is the use of them, I am getting water into the boat, and trying to find out how or why. the photos are of something they are below the water line, there is a wire coming out of the back of each.

I tired fulling bilge area with water, and found no leaks. I have had the boat out 2 times. Each time I get alittle water from bilge pump while out but very little, kids getting in and out I figured I would get some, but once I pull boat out of water, unscrew the drain plug water will run for 2 or 3 minutes full stream... why is water not in bilge area?

trying to find reason or why I can not find leak, waters getting in somewhere.


OK, let's slow down a little here and test in stages. You need to control the variables so you can know for sure where and WHEN the water is entering the boat. Also, you may well have multiple problems that may or may not be related, so you need to go slow and steady.

At home testing:

1. In the driveway make absolutely sure the bilge is dry. Put the plug in. Now fill the bilge from a garden hose, being careful NOT to get the water too high per previous posts. I'd say start with 4-5 inches. Let it sit for an hour and check to see if you see any water weeping out from anywhere.

OK, even if there's no water seeping, let's check your bilge pump with step 2.

2. Since you mentioned that while you're out on the lake, your bilge pump didn't seem to pump much water out. So right now in your diveway with 4 inches of water in the bilge, let her fly! If your pump is working properly it should clear the bilge of all but a small amount of water, like maybe 1-3 gallons but it's depending on the size and shape of the bilge. Bottom line is most of the water should be expelled by the bilge.

So run the pump until it won't pump any more. Did it clear the bilge? If not, your pump is bad or you could have a cracked hose or bad fitting so the pump is just reciculating the water in the bilge. This can be very tricky to identify because some of the water may be getting pumped overboard.

OK, so assuming you didn't find the leak while doing driveway testing:

3. Out at the lake, get the boat in the water WITHOUT having a bunch of wet kids getting in and out. You need to be out for a couple of hours and monitoring the amount of water that enters your bilge. How long does it take before you can see water? Is there no water and then suddenly a lot of water? What were you doing when that happened?

4. Assuming raw water cooling (not a closed loop system like a car engine) Stop the engine and remove the cover or remove the cowling. WITH EVERYONE WELL AWAY FROM THE ENGINE so they don't get sprayed with hot water if there are hose leaiks, restart it and obvserve the engine while it's running at idle. See any water coming out of any of the hoses? Hear any sounds that indicate the engine is leaking cooling water, or see steam where a leaking hose or a bad hose clamp is allowing cooling water into the engine bay? Can you see any water dripping down and disturbing the water down in the bilge?

Hose leaks are a common way that water gets into a bilge. Check this route thoroughly, but be careful. Again, it would be better to do this without kids on board, but if you do, keep them well away from the engine.

5. My #1 suspect is still the billows. You may not see cracking because it may be a split in the bottom of the "fold", but if all of the steps above don't produce for you, I'd say it's time to take it into the shop and just tell them it's leaking. Don't self-diagnose, just give them the story and let them figure it out.

Grouse
 

Tnboater2

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OK, let's slow down a little here and test in stages. You need to control the variables so you can know for sure where and WHEN the water is entering the boat. Also, you may well have multiple problems that may or may not be related, so you need to go slow and steady.

At home testing:

1. In the driveway make absolutely sure the bilge is dry. Put the plug in. Now fill the bilge from a garden hose, being careful NOT to get the water too high per previous posts. I'd say start with 4-5 inches. Let it sit for an hour and check to see if you see any water weeping out from anywhere.


ok already done this no leaks

OK, even if there's no water seeping, let's check your bilge pump with step 2.

2. Since you mentioned that while you're out on the lake, your bilge pump didn't seem to pump much water out. So right now in your diveway with 4 inches of water in the bilge, let her fly! If your pump is working properly it should clear the bilge of all but a small amount of water, like maybe 1-3 gallons but it's depending on the size and shape of the bilge. Bottom line is most of the water should be expelled by the bilge.

So run the pump until it won't pump any more. Did it clear the bilge? If not, your pump is bad or you could have a cracked hose or bad fitting so the pump is just reciculating the water in the bilge. This can be very tricky to identify because some of the water may be getting pumped overboard.

Bigle pump works great, it will pump all water but maybe a inch or two

OK, so assuming you didn't find the leak while doing driveway testing:

3. Out at the lake, get the boat in the water WITHOUT having a bunch of wet kids getting in and out. You need to be out for a couple of hours and monitoring the amount of water that enters your bilge. How long does it take before you can see water? Is there no water and then suddenly a lot of water? What were you doing when that happened?

4. Assuming raw water cooling (not a closed loop system like a car engine) Stop the engine and remove the cover or remove the cowling. WITH EVERYONE WELL AWAY FROM THE ENGINE so they don't get sprayed with hot water if there are hose leaiks, restart it and obvserve the engine while it's running at idle. See any water coming out of any of the hoses? Hear any sounds that indicate the engine is leaking cooling water, or see steam where a leaking hose or a bad hose clamp is allowing cooling water into the engine bay? Can you see any water dripping down and disturbing the water down in the bilge?

Hose leaks are a common way that water gets into a bilge. Check this route thoroughly, but be careful. Again, it would be better to do this without kids on board, but if you do, keep them well away from the engine.

First time out I did remove engine cover, it sat at dock for about 30 minutes, I wanted to be safe and look everything over before getting in middle of lake an sink

5. My #1 suspect is still the billows. You may not see cracking because it may be a split in the bottom of the "fold", but if all of the steps above don't produce for you, I'd say it's time to take it into the shop and just tell them it's leaking. Don't self-diagnose, just give them the story and let them figure it out.


I have looked at bellows before ever posting, I guess I will have to look deeper to see what might be going on.
Grouse
 
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