350 wont make target RPM

pine island fred

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Just finished helping a friend replace his engine. Old set up was a 290 DP with a 305 with a 4 barrel. Old engine seized due to saltwater incursion about 1 maby 2 yrs. ago. ( UGLY). So he buys a new block, 350, minus the manifolds, distributer, carb and other accessories, with although speed is not supposed to be important to him, a roller cam.
So we drop it in the water and idle around for 2 hrs. never exceeding 1500 rpm. as per break in instructions. FRI. evening was the day for the big event so 6 of us pile on board with champaign for the big event. I had completely drained the tank, installed a new fuel filter, and added 40 gallons of fresh gas. No water on board, just 6 people on a 23 ft. chaparral. He opens up the throttle and the engine peaks out at 3800 RPM, on plane , motor sounds fine. Old engine turned around 4600 after we got it propped correctly, expensive operation, before it failed. We expected it to do the same or better with the new mill but 3800 was the best it would do.
I had set the timing at 8 degs. BTDC and did not hear any detonation. The old carb was off a 305, could the difference of 45 cu. be that important ? I figured a smaller carb would not increase the manifold pressure and since speed was not important to him, although he only goes idle speed manitee zone or WOT, we could save him a few bucks on this money pit by utilizing the old carb. Was I wrong?? The manifolds are off the old 305. Intake is original 1991 and exhaust has about 4 hrs. on them. Distributer is also very low hrs due to the centrifigul advance self distructing in the old one.
Can anyone give me some guidance? Boy I am glad it is not my boat, he has about 15K tied up in this thing, so much for a bargain purchase price. Also the outdrive 290DP is new along with the props. Also the old gas I removed worked just fine in all the neighbors vehicles as well as a friend suzuki. thanks FRED
 

TilliamWe

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

You've got so many variable there Fred. Does the motor sound healthy?
You mentioned the drive was replaced also. Is he SURE that the ratio is the same? If not, the propset could be too much for the motor to turn.
 

John_S

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

I wouldn't expect the carb is holding you back that much, if anything, from a cfm or jetting correction. It could be bad just from all the sitting, and needs a rebuild.

Is the new drive the same ratio as the old? New prop the same pitch as the old?

I would also profile the new distributer advance curve.
 

wire2

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

6 people, full gas tank in a 23 footer is a lot of load. How long did it take come up on plane?
How does it perform with only 1 person in it?
 

Maclin

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

Could be as simple as prop pitch and/or drive ratio. You did not mention the speed, if it was about the same or not as the old setup.

You need to post the propset size and speed at the WOT 3,800rpm to start a diagnosis. Also give some assurance that the tach is correct.
 

whywhyzed

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

What camshaft went in this engine?

Distributer is also very low hrs due to the centrifigul advance self distructing in the old one.

Did this distributor live on the 305 before? and during the time the 305 got to 4600 rpm?

If it came from somewhere else, I would be trying to find out more about it...is it a marine unit? If it WAS on the 305, I would be looking for seized, gummed up or rusted flyweights inside dist.

Then I would be looking for fuel flow issues next.
 

pine island fred

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

Hey guys, thanks for your response. Money pit started with the reverse lock down broken and the prop climbing. 305 never would rev and local marina charged him around 4 k to basically pressure wash the hull with no improvement in RPM. Thats when I got involved. Appeared that the leg had hit something and a different leg was installed with to agressive a prop and sold to him. We got the right props, B2, very expensive, then the whole outdrive failed with saltwater. He buys a brand new 290DP with the correct ratio and the 305 runs good up to 46 to 48 hundred rpm.
Then the distributer trashes, cant find parts so he purchases a new one, prestolite I believe, and boat runs fine for 2 hrs and then the engine seizes. So he has a new outdrive and props that the old 305 turned up to target rpm but the new 350 just wont come close to. Its a big boat as far as I am concerned and got up on plane as fast as the old 305, sounds good to me and like one said 6 people and gas is a lot of weight. Maby the bearings on the tach indicator are dragging, 16 yrs old, maby the flyweights in the distributer got corroded like the rest of the engine, time will tell. My biggest concern is the size of the old 4 barrel and if it made a big difference with 45 cubs, dont want to see him drop unnecessary money into this scow. Once again, thanks for your input. FRED
 

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

With the engine off, push the throttle wide open and make sure the butterflies are perfectly vertical in the bores. If they aren't, adjust the cable so they are. If the carb isn't wide open, she won't hit target RPM. If the 305 hit target, the 350 certainly should but it all depends on heads and cam but that will be a non-issue if they are marine components. You might also check cam timing as more than one engine has been put together incorrectly in that regard. Is this a new marine engine or a rebuilt by "who knows" engine rebuilders?
 

pine island fred

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

You hit it right on the head. He had installed the wrong carb gasket. Would not allow the secondaries to open. thanks all FRED
 

Maclin

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Re: 350 wont make target RPM

Neat, glad it was that simple! Nice catch Silvertip....
 
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