NYT: "The Road Home"

Haut Medoc

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Well now that I have read the article I see nothing new here. Nothing. It includes the same inaccuracies, half truths and lies that plague every Iraq War opinion piece I have seen or heard from the Left.

Also, it seems ludicrous to me that someone can type this:


And conclude that we should pack up and split . . . :rolleyes:
Sounds good to me!.........;)
 

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It would. Not sure how you miss or approve of the human suffering that would ensue, but at least you are consistent . . .
 

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Less money spent helping foreigners means more money for welfare and mandatory gay marriage classes here at home.
 

treedancer

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Quote rogerwa

I seem to remember Hillary saying she wanted to "take the big oil profits" and direct it into alternative energy research
[FONT=&quot]Quote Hillary Clinton[/FONT]
<The Strategic Energy Fund would raise $50 billion to fund energy technologies that will reduce America's oil dependence and greenhouse gas emissions while promoting new jobs and a cleaner environment
. The Fund would be created by eliminating oil company tax breaks, placing a Temporary fee on oil company profits that exceed a 5-year baseline and ensuring that they pay their fair share of
royalties for drilling on public lands.
The fee would be in place for two years, and companies could offset their fee by investing in alternative energy technologies such as ethanol and wind power.>>
Sure don?t look like anybody is taking nothing but tax breaks from the most profitable companies in history.
Quote rogerwa
The ism is obviously fascism. I don't see the connection but understand that it is on the latest looney left talking memo right next to impeachment. Say it enough and maybe the drones will start to believe it..

It might just be, don?t know any loony lefts, but you can bet that there is a whole bunch of loony rights,, just look at the references to leftist Commies/socialist
?.kinda makes one wonder of a memo didn?t come down from Rover doesn?t it?

 

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Quote rickster​
The left wing Democrats in congress are socialist by definition. But to compare people that stand for personal freedom, liberty, and the right to defend and take care of yourself and your family to fascists and Nazis is irresponsible. It is also libel since it is totally opposite of Nazi ans Fascist beliefs.
Let me get this straight, it is ok for conservatives to call Democrats, Communist and socialist, but it is libel if a Democrat calls a conservative a fascist? And what makes you think that anybody that disagrees with you is against personal freedom, liberty, and the right to defend, and take care of our self? Are you under the impression that only conservatives are patriotic? Just because we think that it was a fools mission to go into Iraq, doesn?t make us unpatriotic. Most of us, unlike our President know what is involved when you go into war.​

 

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Quote QC


Come on tree, that's a retread from a while back, you can do better than that. Give us something fresher to similarly discredit

BTW, I agree with all that consider comparisons of this Administration to Fascists as grossly incorrect and ridiculous. Comparisons to Nazis are simply sick and twisted Comparisons of US Democrats to Socialists are accurate, socially acceptable, and complete with modern examples that help confirm the comparison. Communist dictatorships? See my Nazi comments; for those comparisons I feel the same.




Sorry didn?t realize I was repeating myself; here is I think , new material, enjoy.



Look for the Italics, and compare them with the present, of course the present day fascist have upgraded considerably.


If you feel free in calling me a Commie/socialist, don?t give me a Frownie when you are called fascist.

{Quote Mussolini

Modern History Sourcebook:
Benito Mussolini:
What is Fascism, 1932


http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html


"First of all, as regards the future development of mankind, and quite apart from all present political considerations. Fascism does not, generally speaking, believe in the possibility or utility of perpetual peace

War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it.

Fascism denies, in democracy, the absurd conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. ....)

..The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone...)


?
The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and useful instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)
 

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Quote rickster​
The left wing Democrats in congress are socialist by definition. But to compare people that stand for personal freedom, liberty, and the right to defend and take care of yourself and your family to fascists and Nazis is irresponsible. It is also libel since it is totally opposite of Nazi ans Fascist beliefs.
Let me get this straight, it is ok for conservatives to call Democrats, Communist and socialist, but it is libel if a Democrat calls a conservative a fascist? And what makes you think that anybody that disagrees with you is against personal freedom, liberty, and the right to defend, and take care of our self? Are you under the impression that only conservatives are patriotic? Just because we think that it was a fools mission to go into Iraq, doesn’t make us unpatriotic. Most of us, unlike our President know what is involved when you go into war.​
BIG Government, BIG Brother, Government Health care, Government control and regulation of Business which is privately owned. Government eroding the Bill of rights. I did not mention communist. The word is socialist as in Social Security, Socialized heath care, etc. They themselves say they are left wing socialist and are proud of it.
 

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Quote rickster
BIG Government, BIG Brother, Government Health care, Government control and regulation of Business which is privately owned. Government eroding the Bill of rights
Yes I’m against big government ,also against spending ten Bill, a month in Iraq, I’m surprised you raised the subject of the bill of rights, after all the water you haul for the man that eliminated part of the bill. (Habeas Corpus)…quote-< The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it>​
 

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Jeez tree . . . I agree that the Communism thing is bunk, then you barf up some carp from Mussolini that is a complete contradiciton to your position . . . Dude, like I said, you can do better than that.
 

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The fact that they refer to our president as "Mr. Bush" says it all.
 

treedancer

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Your right QC I can do better, and you normally don?t see me this way, just tired of the one-way street, if people want respect they should to give it .I try to conduct myself as if I were on a real dock. Don?t think many people would like meeting me on a dock today though. Sorry if I offended anybody.
 

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Look, can someone point to me the difference?

http://www.cpusa.org/article/frontpage/1

http://www.democrats.org/

It may be uncomfortable for some because of the history of communism, but what exactly would be the difference in positions between the communist party and the democratic party? Big government control of everything. Heck, my viewing of the two sites found the communists to be more civil. Breaches of private property rights by "environmentalists" and even eminent domain bastardization. The use of class warfare. What exactly is the difference between forcing people to give up their rights by the butt of a gun or by taxation/legislation? It is still removal of rights. How about no smoking in any public building except congress. (special rules for "party" members - sound familiar) How about socialized medicine, and a "special" program for congressional and government leaders? Toss in the new "carbon tax" debacle and Hillary quoting Marx, and I just don't see the difference. And the republicans are just whistling a block or two behind the democrats. I just love to listen to liberals get riled up about being call communists, and in the same breathe listen to them swoon over Castro or bark the virtues of Chavez. Whats up with that?

We can all sleep well tonight knowing we are not going to have government kicking down our doors. Unless of course you didn't pay your tribute to the government? You know, your state tax, your federal tax, your local tax, your sales tax, your hunting and fishing tax, your social security tax, your car tax, your sin tax, your ........... Forget or refuse one, you lose your rights. Right Janet Reno? And liberals want even more. Sound like freedom? How about the premise of a limited government? Sound right to you? Someone want to point to me the part of the Constitution that covers redistribution of wealth? Sound like a communist premise to anyone? It's like saying you like to eat human beings, but don't like being called a cannibal.




"The Nov. 7, 2006, election was a people’s victory. It was a stunning blow to the Bush Administration and the Republican Party, thus creating a far more favorable political terrain in the Congress and the country..."

Who said this????? Lil' Nancy, Dingy Harry, Teddy oldsmobile?

How about this....

"The first week of the 110th Congress has been exciting. From the swearing in of the first woman Speaker of the House to the framing of the debate by the 100 hours program, to the opposition to increase of troops to Iraq, it is clear that the change in majority control creates many new opportunities to reverse the damage of the Bush agenda and prepare to move forward."

Seems the communists know when their views are being forwarded and who exactly is doing their heavy lifting.
 

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All the label throwing sure gets tiring! As well as useless!

I only have one question re this Iraq war: Namely, if it was so Gawd awful important, why did we ignore all the lessons of history (and the Powell Doctrine) and try to do it on the cheap? And continued on the cheap for four years, before we tried some weak-kneed surge?

And it's the dems fault it failed? You're kidding, right.

It was a flawed plan to start, and it was doomed by incompetence in execution.
 

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All the label throwing sure gets tiring! As well as useless!

I only have one question re this Iraq war: Namely, if it was so Gawd awful important, why did we ignore all the lessons of history (and the Powell Doctrine) and try to do it on the cheap?

Because Clinton significantly downsized our military: PW2! Review: 9/11 did catch us off guard, (BTW Pres. Bush did not actually direct the 9/11 operation by Islamists, as many dim wit Dems believe). When ya have an emergency sometimes ya do what ya have to do with what ya got. Novel corncept to ya I take it?

And continued on the cheap for four years, before we tried some weak-kneed surge?

And it's the dems fault it failed? You're kidding, right.

No: PW2, it's not all the Democtrat's fault, there really are some guys out there called: Muslim extremists, maybe ya heard of 'em before. Now the Democrats and their mouthpiece: the MSM, have worked closely with our enemies as they did in the late 1960s and early 1970s to demoralized the American public. No big deal: right?

It was a flawed plan to start, and it was doomed by incompetence in execution.

Maybe ya can help yer former classmate, (with only one functional brain cell) ta know about one war, (only one) where the whole thing went exactly according to some sort of PLAN ya have in mind, HMMMMMMMMMMM????????????????? I'm not talkin' about a video game or a hollywierd movie here PW2, REAL WAR, n' ya have thousands of years o' history to choose from. Lets here some examples shall we??????????

I don't know of any single country on Earth today or any single group of determined people with an issue that we could dominate in any war today. All they have to do to bring us to our knees is hide in a Mosque, Hostbital, or amoung 'inocents' and set bombs to kill inocents until the enemy within repeats the propaganda and we surrender. Until we summon the courage to pay attention and flush the toilet of so called leaders we have in power today, who put their relection plans above the governise and protection of this great Country we are in REAL trouble. I guess you Libs and Dems are real happy about how weak we are today. I for one: do not find this a good development. JR
 

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We should flatten any mosque they hide in & kill anyone they use as human shields......;)

More importantly, the King County heath board is talking about banning trans fats.....
So ya better go eat at ****'s drive in soon, before they are forced to ruin their fries........:mad:
 

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We should flatten any mosque they hide in & kill anyone they use as human shields......;)

That's no so PC: me Bro!!!

More importantly, the King County heath board is talking about banning trans fats.....
So ya better go eat at ****'s drive in soon, before they are forced to ruin their fries........:mad:

OH BRO!! It really is He11 to live in a city dominated by Liberal Corntrol freaks ain't it? Just had two cheeze burgers n' a order o' fries n' a large Coke last night, (with an extra dose of greese). Try not to do that tooooooo often! Have ya ever noticed how those sneaky guys add exra Coke syrup to make the Coke taste better? JR
 

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Col Ralph Peters interviews Gen. Patraeus. "Lifting The Pall"

I find these two military men very incitefull, but apparently the Amercian people, (at least those who are experts in all aspects of homosexuality and victimhood), seem to cornsider the 535 elected idiots planning their relection to be the real experts, n' the mouthpiece of our enemies: our own MSM lead by the NYT is the first to openly hope for our surrender and cheer the eventual the blood bath of our current Mid East allies. Does it make ya proud of yer elected representitives, (the majority from BOTH parties) did vote TO DO THIS DEAL!!! Any Pol who "changes their mind" should NEVER win another election IM not so HO. Enjoy Gen. Patraeus, JR


http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly...ting_the_pall_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm
 

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Col Ralph Peters interviews Gen. Patraeus. "Lifting The Pall"

I find these two military men very incitefull, but apparently the Amercian people, (at least those who are experts in all aspects of homosexuality and victimhood), seem to cornsider the 535 elected idiots planning their relection to be the real experts, n' the mouthpiece of our enemies: our own MSM lead by the NYT is the first to openly hope for our surrender and cheer the eventual the blood bath of our current Mid East allies. Does it make ya proud of yer elected representitives, (the majority from BOTH parties) did vote TO DO THIS DEAL!!! Any Pol who "changes their mind" should NEVER win another election IM not so HO. Enjoy Gen. Patraeus, JR


http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly...ting_the_pall_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm
Exactly. And the New York Post is a good paper owned by Rupert Murdoch.
 

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I guess the first link, the one that went to the ?CPUSA?, was supposed to show some similarities to the Dems, because they were cheering last November?s election.



Hmm, my read was that they held their nose, and voted, as many will most likely do in about a year and a half.

Quote form the link

<<The Nov. 7, 2006, election was a people?s victory. It was a stunning blow to the Bush Administration and the Republican Party, thus creating a far more favorable political terrain in the Congress and the country...>>

Went to the second link, much to my surprise it was factual; I guess you screwed that one up.:eek:


Quote from second link


<Quote Attorney General A. Gonzales

"There has not been one verified case of civil liberties abuse," Gonzales told senators on April 27, 2005.>


Gonzales received a report six days earlier from the FBI about the Patriot Act that described how agents had obtained personal information that they were not entitled to have.


In fact, in the three months before Gonzales testified before the Senate intelligence committee, he received at least six reports that detailed legal or procedural violations that had occurred under the Patriot Act. ?..hhmm?wonder what that smacks of???


I feel your pain, I have been inconvenienced and put out of work by the spotted owl, hate to say it but ?environmental issues/eminent domain?, are not confined to any specific party.

Class warfare, the choice here so plentiful it is hard to choose a starting point.



I will start with the shrinking middle class. President Bushes budget proposal for fiscal year 2007 out of touch with reality and America?s middle-class .President Bush doesn?t address the soaring costs of health care, education, and energy, he makes them worse. The tab for the Iraq war grows by at least $200 million each and every day.

The President has requested that Congress raise the federal debt limit for the fourth time since taking office. He needs to do this so he can so he can give tax breaks to his oil company cronies, campaign contributors in drug companies, and an assortment of multi billionaires..

The President gives the green light too Companies that manufacture good in the United States and pay taxes here, to move there operations overseas so they can avoid paying taxes.


The President?s fiscal year 2007 budget would increase the national debt to $12 trillion by 2011, more than double the $5.7 trillion of debt when he took office. Now tell me again about class warfare, when the President seems hell bent on eliminating the middleclass, which I am presently a proud member of. Tell me again why it is so wrong to pay as you go, rather than saddle my grandchildren, and their grandchildren, with the bill. Please explain to me how paying as you go can be called Socialism/Communism.

Lets talk about that old Commie favorite, redistribution of wealth. Lets see how it is done under President Bush. ?


President Bush said that most of the tax cuts went to low and middle income Americans. The fact is that 53 percent will inrichen the incomes in the top 10 percent over the 15 years that began in 2001.


Yep, definitely a Commie Plot. According to the IRS,in the years 2001 and 2002 the taxes actually declined in the top 0.1 percent.



Damn Commies, have the nerve to ask for a raise in the minimum wage. Well it?s been redistributed President Bush style, Rob the middle class, give to the top 0.1 percent.

You?re right no one kicking down doors yet, that are if you didn?t live in New Orleans after Katrina ,if you were unfortunate enough to be citizen of that poor city, you had the privilege of having Blackwater USA patrolling you?re streets. We have gutted posse comitatus , habeas corpus has been nullified, and legislation to take over the Government is in place, domestic spying, American Gulags and your concern is why liberals swoon over the mention o f Chavez and Castro, whatever.


The next year and a half will surly be fun, watching (Drag Queen Rudy), (Mitt mad dog Roomney), and (Fred Watergate mole Thompson) trying to separate themselves from President Bush.;)
 
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