custombycrunch

[18rabbit]

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... If custombycrunch votes, then customs opinions on the subject of America and its role in world affairs is as valid as yours or Rodbolt...

When did voting become the prerequisite for a “valid” opinion?!? Hell, given the lack of diff between the two parties and the absolute irrational fever some folks engage in promoting their party’s position as if it had merit or were in anyway better than the other party, voting could be seen as a sign of a person's mental handicap.

...You sacrifice a considerable amount, and your entire family is along for the ride. Those of you who have not served have wives who have never known what it is like to have their husband and father of their children deployed to some Godforsaken hellhole, never knowing when they will come back. I could go on and on, but if you can't understand that, than you truely have no empathy at all.

Good going, Jason. You make it sound like only an idiot would sign up for that kind any kind of military service. Who in their right mind would choose to be “deployed to some Godforsaken hellhole” for any reason?!? And how selfish is it for anyone to needlessly choose to put their family thru that?!?

To serve in the military when the country is at war (not just pseudo-war) or other crisis that may result in the fall of the government is an honorable thing. Other than that, I have to question the motivation of anyone that willingly enters “the service”.

 

[LubeDude]

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Best not let Lubedude read this, he tells me I won't be a bit disappointed.

We gots some pretty good sized ones here in Orygun!

Looking forward to meeting you, give me a call when you get into town.

 

[jimonica]

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I'm with Rodbolt on this. These righties have a history of hiding behind the flag and our servicemen and women. And Custom seems to use patriotism for cover as with a lot of folks on the right. By not answering we can only assume that Custom never served, he just talks a tough game.
Those on the left have more respect for our service people than to use them as refuge in order to score political points. As with babies and the Bible.

 

[technostingray]

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Assumptions are always dangerous, Jim. Every American knows that you must admit to guilt or guilt must be proven. On the other hand if there is evidence to the contrary....

 

[JasonJ]

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"To serve in the military when the country is at war (not just pseudo-war) or other crisis that may result in the fall of the government is an honorable thing. Other than that, I have to question the motivation of anyone that willingly enters “the service”."

If you have to question it, then you must also question why people become firefighters, or cops, or doctors, or whatever. They do it because they want to. That is the reason our military is the best, because they choose to be there. The side benefit is that those who lack the desire can just sit on the sidelines while those who serve keep that freedom you so enjoy. If that sounds a bit snarky, well too bad. Your statement is basically like the Kerry "joke", and that is unfortunate. That is why it is called SACRIFICE. I am still proud to have made my sacrifices so you can tell me I was an idiot for doing it, because nowhere in anything I have ever said can even be vaguely interpreted as me calling our servicemembers idiots. Those are your words, so those must be your feelings...

 

[Link]

Re: custombycrunch

18rabbit:
Other than that, I have to question the motivation of anyone that willingly enters “the service”
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Thats easy
I'll define "the service" as military, police, fire fighters, doctors, search and rescue, peace corp etc

It's knowing your doing a job that a lot of people can't do.
But must be done by someone
It's knowing that what you are doing is bigger than just yourself.

At first I thought had you just insulted me, every male on my side of the family, most of my friends, my wife (20 years Navy) still serving, her sister (23+years Air force) still serving.

But when thinking about it, if you have never been there and done that. There is no way you could understand.

There is nothing more rewarding than serving your fellow man.
Be it the above mentioned or Volunteering in a soup kitchen during the holidays.

Yea the pay and hours suck, but the rewards to your heart can't be beat! Then maybe you will understand why people choose to serve.

My .02 cents

 

[RubberFrog]

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I'll define "the service" as military, police, fire fighters, doctors, search and rescue, peace corp etc

I always hate it when people list doctors and postmen as part of the "service" or "heroes."

Somehow, giving flu shots and delivering mail just doesn't sound heroic.

 

[Pony]

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I'll agree with postmen, even though my dad is one.........but think you are way off base with the doctors.

Doctors don't even give flu shots, nurses do. So its not heroic when a Doctor comes in at 3am to do emergency bypass and save someones life?

 

[Capt Joe]

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"If you didn't go you'll never know."

"We went where we were sent & did what we was bid"

 

[rogerwa]

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Speaking of postmen, isn't that Cliff Claven in the picture??

I wish I would have served.. The service can turn wayward boys into men. It takes a special brand of person to sign up for the Marines, admittedly I'm not one of them.

I do not have to have served in the miltary to know that when we do deploy them we should deploy them with the intent of winning. Sending them over and then pulling them out in perceived defeat is a disrespect to their sacrifice,in my view. Much of our situation in Iraq is made by our folks at home. The politicians and the disgusting media. It is not about our capabilities. If we went all out, like we needed to survive, this would be a whole different matter.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Yep rogerwa, untie the military's hands and let them fight the way they should.
It would all be over now and our men and women would be home, IMO.

 

[RubberFrog]

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So its not heroic when a Doctor comes in at 3am to do emergency bypass and save someones life?

No, it's not heroic.

Heroes risk their life to protect the lives and freedoms of others.

So a doctor shows up at three am... so what? What about the cleaning lady that shows up at 3 am to clean an office. Is she a hero?

 

[technostingray]

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I'll agree with postmen, even though my dad is one.........but think you are way off base with the doctors.

Doctors don't even give flu shots, nurses do. So its not heroic when a Doctor comes in at 3am to do emergency bypass and save someones life?

Whoa Pones old boy, don't confuse valor with the consequence of the act. I think the comedian who said any man who gets up every morning and goes to work to feed his family deserves the congretional medal of honor. Remember vocation and proffession are a matter of choice, just as is enlisting in the service.
A Doctor performs his services on a need basis as does a postman, and the conditions under which he performs them are only controlable to a certain extent.

 

[BoatBuoy]

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Defining hero - now there's grist for another whole thread.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Rubberfrog

So a doctor shows up at three am... so what?

What if his nickname was Hawkeye????

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: custombycrunch

Quote Rubberfrog

So a doctor shows up at three am... so what?

What if his nickname was Hawkeye????

Then he'd be in the military?

What if his name wasRadar? d

 

[technostingray]

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What if his name wasRadar? d

Then he wouldn't be a Doctor. :^

 

[Pony]

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This is all about the definition of "hero"

I happen to put stock in having a human life in your hands, and having someones life hang on what you choose to do and how you do it. It is true that is his job, but it comes with a HUGE responsibility.

Last time I checked the cleaning lady the comes in at 3am doesnt have a life hang on her descion to clean the sink or not.

JMHO, its all about semantics.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: custombycrunch

OK, Pony. If you think that risking your life to save someone and some fat cat doctor are both heroes that's your perogative.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I think the cleaning lady is a hero.....
Who in the world would want to clean bathrooms at 3AM for minimum wage?
& since she is most likely an illegal immigrant, no doubt she risked life & limb to get here.....
Now that is heroic.....
A M.A.S.H. doctor might be heroic.....
A doctor at Bethesda, maybe not so much..........JK