Older boat owners manuals???

DodgeBoy

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OK I bought a 1884 Larson Admiral Day 8000 with the OE boat trailer but the owner can't find the owners manual. I have it somewhere...I'll look for it....well I'm going to pick it up (the boat) this weekend and yep the guy can't find the manuals :mad: Anyone know if there is a resource for these manuals. I have contacted Larson and asked if they have them in hard copy or maybe a PDF file. How do people lose there owners manual? :confused:

So any help as to where I can find them would be greatly appreciated.
 

jbcurt00

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Boats arent like cars, there isnt much to an owners manual.

What info are you looking for?

If you're looking for info about the motor, those can be found, just need to know what motor its got.
 

H20Rat

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The reason for JB's comments above is that boats aren't assembled like cars. Larson laid the fiberglass into a mold, which they may or may not have made originally. They then purchased a bunch of 3rd party rigging, from the cleats to even little things like the gas cap, and installed that. All different vendors. Even the identical model from Larson might end up with a different manufacturer of some of those parts, just depends who was cheapest and in stock. And then the boat may have left the factory without any controls or engine, at which point the dealer rigs it up with whatever model they or the customer wants.

So in other words, a Larson manual would be able to talk about the fiberglass, and not much else.

I keep manual's religiously. I (or the previous owners) have never had one for any boat I've owned!
 
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JASinIL2006

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If you have the serial number form the engine, you can order an owner's manual for the drivetrain, at least you can if it's powered by a Mercrcuiser. When I first bought my Larson, I couldn't find a manual, either, but I did order the manual from Mercruiser and it was pretty helpful. (It contains essentially the same engine/outdrive specs and maintenance info that you can find in the full service manuals at http://boatinfo.no/lib/library.html.) I keep mine in the boat, and while I generally use the service manual, the little manual from Merc has proved useful a few times.

Larson was able to find an electronic copy of a boat similar to mine (not as old) and what these guys here say about the manuals is totally true: it really contained very little info specific to the operation of my boat. It had a lot of general information about operating a boat, about navigation markers, and boating etiquette, but very little specific info about how my boat works.

I've found the best source of information to figure out what a switch at the helm controls or what a gauge measures is to ask right here on iboats. You might even find someone with the same (or similar) boat who can help you.

Good luck!

Jim
 

smokeonthewater

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OK I bought a 1884 Larson Admiral Day.......

WOW 131 year old boat!!! A manual that old would be written on linen aye?

Tell the seller he can give you $50 off for not having it and then laugh all the way to the bank.... the owners manual isn't worth $1
 

DodgeBoy

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​Jim thanks for the info, if the OEM manual is worthless then I'll order the manual from Merc. The boat has the 260 HP GM 5.0 with a Merc outdrive unit. I'm going to take it over to a buddy that has owned 5 or more boats and have him go over it with me. The one thing I need to know about are the trim tabs. How to properly use them and so forth. Also when trailering the boat should I buy a outdrive support? As for "operating a boat, about navigation markers, and boating etiquette" I have taken and passed the Ohio Boater Safety Courses online also I'm not new to boating, just new to owning one LOL.

Again thanks for the help.
 

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Trim tabs should be fully up... At cruising speed they are deployed as needed... If the right side of the boat is high then the left tab is lowered just a bit by pressing the top or front of the right switch. If the bow is too high press the top or front of both switches. Just a little at a time... They can have a BIG effect. Also if the boat porpoises the tabs can lower the bow and stop it.

You don't have to use them so I suggest getting comfortable with running the boat before messing with them but when you do use them the goal is to lower them as little as possible for a level smooth ride
 

JASinIL2006

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​Jim thanks for the info, if the OEM manual is worthless then I'll order the manual from Merc. The boat has the 260 HP GM 5.0 with a Merc outdrive unit. I'm going to take it over to a buddy that has owned 5 or more boats and have him go over it with me. The one thing I need to know about are the trim tabs. How to properly use them and so forth. Also when trailering the boat should I buy a outdrive support? As for "operating a boat, about navigation markers, and boating etiquette" I have taken and passed the Ohio Boater Safety Courses online also I'm not new to boating, just new to owning one LOL.

Again thanks for the help.

You'll need the serial number from the engine (and maybe the outdrive) to order the manual. The year and make of the boat (an impressively maintained 1884 boat, apparently! :cool:) won't help when you go to order the manual.

Jim
 

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Boats are made by a boat manufacturer. The stuff that goes in them like switches, gauges, pumps, stereos, etc are provided by any number of other manufacturers. Manuals for those products are all separate and are just stuffed into a plastic bag when the boat is built. If you have a Sony stereo, contact Sony for the instructions. Same goes for all the other stuff. Switches should fairly self-explanatory (provided the labels are still readable). Anything related to the engine is covered in the engine manual or in the case of an I/O, in the I/O manual.
 

DodgeBoy

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Thanks Guys! BTW she is a 1984 not 1884 LOL. As for the manuals it looks like the boating industry is as screwed up as the RV industry when it comes to manuals. I work for Chrysler and have to say if car companies provided manuals like the Boat and RV companies do people would have a fit!
 

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I'm going to defend the boat manufacturers. An owners manual like you find with an automobile costs many thousands of dollars to produce. That cost is passed on to the owners of many thousands of cars. If you only make a few boats then that same cost would have to be born by the few boat owners. Are you willing to pay a few thousand more for your boat to get a manual you might need 20 years from now? There are manuals for the motor and other major parts from their manufacturers already.
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​Jim thanks for the info, if the OEM manual is worthless then I'll order the manual from Merc. The boat has the 260 HP GM 5.0 with a Merc outdrive unit. I'm going to take it over to a buddy that has owned 5 or more boats and have him go over it with me. The one thing I need to know about are the trim tabs. How to properly use them and so forth. Also when trailering the boat should I buy a outdrive support? As for "operating a boat, about navigation markers, and boating etiquette" I have taken and passed the Ohio Boater Safety Courses online also I'm not new to boating, just new to owning one LOL.

Again thanks for the help.

If you are new to using Trim Tabs you may find this helpful in learning how to use them to achieve the best results. All boats react differently to Trim Tabs and the best way to find out what works best for yours is to experiment, and remember, use short bursts of the controls and let the boat settle down between corrections. Using them will soon become second nature.

Getting and Staying Trimmed

All boats assume different fore to aft attitudes at different throttle settings and vary in sensitivity to lateral weight distribution.

A boat?s optimum running attitude is determined by the operator. While some people may define optimum running attitude as the highest possible speed for a given amount of engine RPMs, others desire the best possible fuel economy, yet others may be trimming the boat to get just the right mix of speed and wake (such as for waterskiing.)

Optimum running attitude is when the boat is running to the operator?s satisfaction for the given operating conditions. There are as many optimum running attitudes as there are boats and boat owners

A good way to determine a boats optimum running angle is to run the boat lightly loaded at full speed in calm water. During this test observe the boat?s bow in relation to the horizon. Most boats run at or near their optimum attitude under these conditions. This should give you a feel for the appearance of the wake and bow spray when running at an efficient attitude. Note that not all boats will achieve their optimum running attitude under these conditions. Some boats will benefit from extra lift even when running at their maximum throttle settings. If you feel the boat will benefit from added bow down trim when running at speed start with the trim tabs fully up and deflect the trim tabs in short bursts. Be alert to changes in the boats handling, as you bring the bow down. Observe any changes in RPMs and/or speed. Adjust power trim if applicable.

Indications of Running Untrimmed
When a boat is running untrimmed the bow spray will exit the sides of the boat far aft. The stern wave (wake) is high and curling like a breaker on the beach. The rooster tail is high and close to the stern. The engine is laboring and the ride tends to be less smooth.

Indications of Running Trimmed
The bow spray moves forward and is flung not as far from the boat. The wake diminishes in height, as the rooster tail flattens out and moves away from the boat. The engine is operating under less load as evidenced by the tachometer and speed as well as sounding ?less strained?.

One Step at a Time
The key to obtaining optimal results from trim tabs is to operate them in short ?bursts? and let the boat react before making another adjustment. The amount of time between corrections is influenced by the size of the trim tabs and the boat?s speed. This will help avoid overtrimming or ending up with one tab too far down when correcting lateral trim. You will quickly become acquainted with a boat?s particular traits.

Take Off
Properly sized trim tabs can significantly reduce the time needed to get up on plane. They also allow a boat to keep its bow down and stay on plane at lower speeds.
As the throttle is advanced the stern of the boat begins to squat, lifting the bow. As the boat accelerates, push the bow down position of the helm control in short bursts. The boat reacts by the stern lifting, the bow coming down, speed increasing, and reduced engine laboring. If you over do it and deflect the tabs too far the boat will end up overtrimmed. When over trimmed, the steering becomes ?over sensitive? and wants to pull off course to port or starboard. If this occurs, operate the control ?bow up" until the desired attitude is established.

Getting the Most from Power Trim
Adjust the trim tabs to achieve the desired running attitude. Then use the power trim to position the propeller thrust parallel to the water flow. If necessary, re-adjust the trim tabs to fine tune the attitude. By observing the boat?s speed and engine RPMs the best combination of trim tabs and power trim will be apparent. Trim tab angle indicators and a power trim angle indicator are particularly useful in duplicating effective settings.

Trimming to Sea Conditions
When running into a head sea you want to trim the bow down so the sharp forward sections of the boat do their work cleaving the waves. This provides the most comfortable ride and minimizes stress on the boat (and passengers). In a following sea the tabs should be fully retracted for maximum steering response.

Correction of a List
The normal control setup for trim tabs operates in relation to the desired changes in trim and not the actual movement of the tabs. Therefore, do not think about what the tabs are doing, but rather on the control and what you want the boat to do. As above, make the corrections in bursts and allow the boat to settle to the new settings. You may find it easier to correct the boat?s fore and aft attitude before you correct the side to side trim.

Correction of Porpoising
Operate the tabs in very short bursts of about half a second. Continue until porpoising subsides. The objective is to have only a very slight amount of tab deflection, just the amount needed to cure the up and down motion of the bow.

Low Speed Wander
Some boats, in particular sterndrive powered, tend to not track well at low speeds. Dropping both Trim Tabs fully down can sometimes make them track a bit straighter .

Backing Down
It is good practice to fully raise the Trim Tabs for best control when backing down.
 
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