Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

denny4

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I'm doing the link'n sync according to one of the posts in here and all is going well but, on the flywheel my timing marks are displayed like this
( .464..................iii 21 i... ... 9 ii 6 ii 3 ii 0 iiii 5 iiii 10 iiii 15 .......... ), On the part of the link 'n' sync at full throttle advance it should be 19-21,Is that to the left or right side of the 21 mark? I'm thinking to the left, am I right?
 

denny4

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

OOPS! i ment i'm thinking to the RIGHT of that mark.
 

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

Is the motor running now? If so here is an easy method to become familiar. Just pull the plugs and check the timing now. This will give you a good understanding of the marks. Do it with no throttle and then do it again with the cold start lever all the way up. Things will appear much clearer to you.
 

denny4

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

excuse my ignorance but,Cold start lever?
 

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp


The fast idle control lever on the side of your MerControl
 

denny4

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

On my control ('83 17' starcraft ob.alum.) that doesn't exist but, at the base of the throttle lever, i push a button and i can use the throttle only without going into gear, but right now i got the throttle cable disconnected from the lever on the side of the motor for doing the link 'n' sync.
 

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

Denny, The .464 BTDC is ised to set the timing pointer to a known state. A manual will tell all you need to know, but here is the synopsis. Set the #1 Piston to TDC. Back the #1 piston to .464 using a dial indicator (I use a caliper accurate to .001). Set the timing pointer to the .464 mark. Now start the motor and check the timing at idle pickup. I have attached the Link and Sync instructions from Clams.

Manual specs are different for each but this is close enough to get them all REAL close. This assumes nothing is broken or "wrong" with it. This also assumes that the timing pointer is properly adjusted (if adjustable) to accurately read TDC of the #1 piston.

This basic procedure will work for all the 2/3/4/6 cylinder inlines from 1960 to 1988. It's not for the newer 3 and 4 cylinder loopers.

Engine off

Disconnect throttle cable

Pull throttle arm to full throttle and verify carbs open fully. Adjust main throttle stop so that the carbs are JUST hitting thier own little throttle stops. The idea here is that you want the screw stop and NOT the carbs acting as the "final stop" for your throttle lever.

Return the throttle to idle, carbs should be closed. Set all idle screws to 2 1/4 turns out from lightly seated.

Remove all plugs except #1, hook a timing light to #1. Then follow the narritive.

When the throttle is in the idle position the carbs should be fully closed and the ignition retarded. It the amount of retardation that determines your idle speed and is set later with the idle stop screw.

Timing Event One - throttle pickup.
As the throttle is advanced, the spark timing advances toward TDC and then to before TDC. As the timing is just passing TDC the 1st (minor)throttle pickup should hit and start to open the carbs. Use the timing light. Adjust the tang or trigger screw to make this a reality. All of them are speced different, but if the 1st pickup hits at 3-4 degrees BTDC advance - you win. Use the timing light with a friend cranking it to complete this setting.

Timing Event Two - max advance.
As you continue to advance the throttle the timing will advance while the carbs slowly open a bit more. The next adjustment is max advance, this is the point where the distibutor (or trigger) can advance no more. Set the max-advance stop to 21 degrees for "direct charge" inlines and 34 degrees for the older crossflows. Use the light, - err to the side of caution.

Right after max advance, further throttle motion should cause the second throttle pickup to hit and open the carbs to full. You already set that -now verify it.

Leave the throttle cable disconnected and go to the water. Leave the boat strapped to the trailer and back it in so it's deep enought to run. Have a friend crank it while you operate the choke and throttle. Warm it up at 1500 rpms's.

When "warm" adjust the idle stop screw for about 800 rpm and then ajust your idle needle(s) in (one at a time) till the motor stumbles. Quickly backing it out 1/2 turn from "stumble" will usually save it from needing a re-start. Do that for all the idle screws. Re-set idle stop for 800.

Now have your friend put it in gear (make SURE you are on the transom NOT in the water) and reset your idle stop for as low as you can get it. 500-600rpm is great if your old reeds will let it idle that low in gear. Now, re-adjust the idle screws, in to stumble, then 1/2 turn out. When you've gone back and forth with that a few times and have it "perfect" - adjust each one out 1/4 turn.

Reset the idle stop so that it's about 700-800 out of gear and 500-600 in gear. Sometimes bad reeds won't let you get that low, you've GOT to get it under 1000 in neutral (worst case) to avoid beating up your lower unit when you shift into gear, even 1000 is "bad" but like I said "worst case".

Now adjust (and hook up)the throttle cable so that with the shifter in neutral, there is light to moderate pressure holding the throttle arm against the idle stop.

Take the boat off the trailer and go out in the water. Try the hole shot. If it falls on it's face try adjusting the idle screws out 1/4 turn at a time (all of them together) till you can get a hole shot. You can kind of do this on the trailer at the ramp, but it's not really safe for you, the boat, or the tow vehicle.

You're done.

-W
 

denny4

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

Thanks Chris. thats the attachment i was going buy but you came up with a good idea for checking TDC and the pointer. I'm going to try and borrow one of those type of calipers to make sure the pointer is accurate before i go any further, could be acouple days or so, thx again.I'll reply when ready.
 

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

:'(Well 1 marine mechanic i was talking to said to do compression or leakdown test first, so i did that. And ofcoarse my worst fears came to life,all but 1 were down buy 10%, that ' 1' was down 90%--s.o.b!!!! So i'm gett'n a manual and gonna tear it apart, a mechanic i work wiht will probably do most of it even if we have to send the powerhead out.I just hope i can get the parts that will be needed for this,otherwise its' ANCHOR MATERIAL !!'. I have to admit tho, this boat still reached 42 mph in this state.
 

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

when doing the sync. we want for the right hook up weather your engine is new or old .or pistons or conditions mechanical shape . lots of unknowns . you want something hard to tune your dealing with it that is the nature of our in line 6 . i owne one mine is modified . all things i did . gosh how hard to set a fresh rebuild into the water . or something you just picked up getting it right. I am baffeled on the carb plate opening especally when set to full throttle . those plastic throttle rods lose tension i got 1# carb open # 3 is 3/4 . why ??? are they bad ??? it is hard really to get them even all 3 carbs for me . you work so exact to clean an fix your carb but that slack kills me . some tell me why that flex is necessary
 

denny4

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Re: Need explaination on timming marks,'81-mer. 115hp

I know what you mean but i did manage to get mine all lined up pretty darn equal. Alot of good that did me now that it all has to come apart, GOOD GRIEF!.
 
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