Bennett Trim Tabs

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Just found and purchased a set of pre-owned bennett hydraulic trim tabs - 12x12 off a fresh water boat. New to hydraulic tabs.... The tab planes have pretty large batwings on them that, based on the way they would be installed, extend downward. Haven't received the tabs yet but from the photos the bat wings are larger than any i'm seeing on the bennett website. Whats the deal with the batwings and what is the purpose of them being as large as they are?
 

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Ayuh,..... Edit yer thread title to include Bennett, 'n maybe Tabman Tom will see it, 'n comment,....

I too, have never seen such on a pair of Bennett tabs,...
Seems they might help with trackin', but offer nothin' for lift,....
 
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Had these on my 19' Rinker. Looks like the same siza as yours.
 

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So no downside to having them as big as they are on my 24' sunesta?

They are not big for your boat by any means.

General rule is 1" of tab for every 1ft. of hull length. 24" boat = 9" x 24" tabs. You can shorten by increasing the width....

I put 12 x 12 on my 22" Grady to save transom space. Plenty of lift but can make the boat a bit squirrel if I over compensate.

Probably a function of my hull design more so than tab performance.
 

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Thanks all. I actually ended up emailing tabman directly.... Per his info, "these are 12 x 12 DF (drop fin tabs) and are designed to create additional lift by capturing water pressure that normally escapes out the sides of the tab and channels it aft. They are normally used on boats where there is not enough room for a larger span (side to side) tab. They need to be installed so that they are parallel to the boat's center line or they will create drag and spray"...

He is recommending I go with standard 12 x 12 for my boat so I will be selling these :) and getting the standard ones for my boat.
 

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He is recommending I go with standard 12 x 12 for my boat so I will be selling these :) and getting the standard ones for my boat..

Yours are 12x12 with deep wings, and Tab Man says 12x12 standard would be better. Way not cut the wings off to about 1/2 inch and use them?
 

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. They need to be installed so that they are parallel to the boat's center line or they will create drag and spray"...

That just means you need a flat transom to mount them to. I ran sport tabs on my SR 190 and loved them
 

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Yours are 12x12 with deep wings, and Tab Man says 12x12 standard would be better. Way not cut the wings off to about 1/2 inch and use them?

Great idea! That’s what I’m going to do!
 

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I had a great thread on the hull truth of you feel like searching for it when I did mine on the boat below.
 

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here is a c/p from my thread on another site, Tom from Bennett reply to me




Below you will find a little "Trim Tabs 101" that covers your question and a bunch more info on using Tabs, This should help you get the hang of using Tabs. Two important pieces of advice:

1. Experiment, each boat is deferent. The best way to learn how your boat best responds to Tabs is to “play with them”. Soon using them will become second nature.
2. Use them in short burst and let the boat settle down between corrections, this will help you avoid over trimming.
Bow steering can make the boat handle a little bit “squirrelly” and should really not happen except perhaps a little bit when holding the bow down into a really nasty chop (as you mention” but other then that it should be avoided since it indicates that the bow is trimmed too far down.

Just about any brand of Trim Tabs can be retro fitted with indicators. Take a look at the pump on the boat for the Tabs and let me know what it looks like and I can help identify the Tabs for you.


All Trim Tab manufactures will bend fins up or down, however ours and all the other manufactures I know of make “good straight” folds in the stainless, none as sloppy as you indicate.

Often times a builder will ask us to fold a fin down on the outside of a Tab we make for then to help prevent spray from coming out that side of the boat. But again they are made on hydraulic bending brake machines and are neat and straight folds.

As far as I am concerned the mark of quality in a Trim tab is how long it lasts on a boat. I can go point by point why our particular design is superior to our competitors, but simply put all of those design elements are aimed at making the product last!

Since I am biased towards my product I might suggest that if you post that question on the main board you will get some very good answers! But let me know if you want be to go “blow by blow”!

I hope this is helpful,

Tom

Getting and Staying Trimmed

All boats assume different fore to aft attitudes at different throttle settings and vary in sensitivity to lateral weight distribution.

A boat’s optimum running attitude is determined by the operator. While some people may define optimum running attitude as the highest possible speed for a given amount of engine RPMs, others desire the best possible fuel economy, yet others may be trimming the boat to get just the right mix of speed and wake (such as for waterskiing.)
Optimum running attitude is when the boat is running to the operator’s satisfaction for the given operating conditions. There are as many optimum running attitudes as there are boats and boat owners

A good way to determine a boats optimum running angle (see side bar Optimum Running Attitude) is to run the boat lightly loaded at full speed in calm water. During this test observe the boat’s bow in relation to the horizon. Most boats run at or near their optimum attitude under these conditions. This should give you a feel for the appearance of the wake and bow spray when running at an efficient attitude. Note that not all boats will achieve their optimum running attitude under these conditions. Some boats will benefit from extra lift even when running at their maximum throttle settings. If you feel the boat will benefit from added bow down trim when running at speed start with the trim tabs fully up and deflect the trim tabs in short bursts. Be alert to changes in the boats handling, as you bring the bow down. Observe any changes in RPMs and/or speed. Adjust power trim if applicable.

Indications of Running Untrimmed
When a boat is running untrimmed the bow spray will exit the sides of the boat far aft. The stern wave (wake) is high and curling like a breaker on the beach. The rooster tail is high and close to the stern. The engine is laboring and the ride tends to be less smooth.

Indications of Running Trimmed
The bow spray moves forward and is flung not as far from the boat. The wake diminishes in height, as the rooster tail flattens out and moves away from the boat. The engine is operating under less load as evidenced by the tachometer and speed as well as sounding “less strained”.

One Step at a Time
The key to obtaining optimal results from trim tabs is to operate them in short “bursts” and let the boat react before making another adjustment. The amount of time between corrections is influenced by the size of the trim tabs and the boat’s speed. This will help avoid overtrimming or ending up with one tab too far down when correcting lateral trim. You will quickly become acquainted with a boat’s particular traits.

Take Off
Properly sized trim tabs can significantly reduce the time needed to get up on plane. They also allow a boat to keep its bow down and stay on plane at lower speeds.
As the throttle is advanced the stern of the boat begins to squat, lifting the bow. As the boat accelerates, push the bow down position of the helm control in short bursts. The boat reacts by the stern lifting, the bow coming down, speed increasing, and reduced engine laboring. If you over do it and deflect the tabs too far the boat will end up overtrimmed. When over trimmed, the steering becomes “over sensitive” and wants to pull off course to port or starboard. If this occurs, operate the control “bow up" until the desired attitude is established.

Getting the Most from Power Trim
Adjust the trim tabs to achieve the desired running attitude. Then use the power trim to position the propeller thrust parallel to the water flow. If necessary, re-adjust the trim tabs to fine tune the attitude. By observing the boat’s speed and engine RPMs the best combination of trim tabs and power trim will be apparent. Trim tab angle indicators and a power trim angle indicator are particularly useful in duplicating effective settings.

Trimming to Sea Conditions
When running into a head sea you want to trim the bow down so the sharp forward sections of the boat do their work cleaving the waves. This provides the most comfortable ride and minimizes stress on the boat (and passengers). In a following sea the tabs should be fully retracted for maximum steering response.
Correction of a List

As previously mentioned the normal control setup for trim tabs operates in relation to the desired changes in trim and not the actual movement of the tabs. Therefore, do not think about what the tabs are doing, but rather on the control and what you want the boat to do. As above, make the corrections in bursts and allow the boat to settle to the new settings. You may find it easier to correct the boat’s fore and aft attitude before you correct the athwartship trim.

Correction of Porpoising
Operate the tabs in very short bursts of about half a second. Continue until porpoising subsides. The objective is to have only a very slight amount of tab deflection, just the amount needed to cure the up and down motion of the bow.
 

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Yours are 12x12 with deep wings, and Tab Man says 12x12 standard would be better. Way not cut the wings off to about 1/2 inch and use them?

So got the tabs today... all good and everything works as it should. The tabs are a lot heavier and thicker steel than I thought... any suggestions on how to effectively cut those wings? Assuming a plasma cutter would be the easiest but I don’t have one of those.
 

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Ok thanks. I’ll try a machine shop and see what they’ll charge. May make more sense to just spring for some new standard tabs for around $100 and try to sell these...
 

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All good! Co-workers friend is a welder and will cut the fins off for me. Gonna just take the entire fin off I think - no reason to make cutting more complicated and leave a 1" down fin.
 

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All good! Co-workers friend is a welder and will cut the fins off for me. Gonna just take the entire fin off I think - no reason to make cutting more complicated and leave a 1" down fin.

Ayuh,.... I'd leave 3/8" - 1/2", just to act as strengthenin' structure, to stiffen the tabs,.....

A totally flat plate is easily bent,.....
With the corner on each side, it's considerably stiffer,....
 
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