1959 35 'rude

jay_merrill

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Re: 1959 35 'rude

There are lots of places, but you need to know what type of cables your remote control unit uses. There are two types - one has end fittings that are held in place with set screws and the other has the end pieces "swedged" on.

Once you know which you need, you can purchase the cables at any OMC/BRP dealer, as well as at many marine stores. If you need the type with the set screws, the store may have to order them, because they are less common and not usually kept in stock on a retail level.
 

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You can order them right here at iBoats!
 

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There are lots of places, but you need to know what type of cables your remote control unit uses. There are two types - one has end fittings that are held in place with set screws and the other has the end pieces "swedged" on.

"Swedged" on? Is that what those clips are called? Really? Or is that the Loooooweeeziana version of it? :)
 

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"Swedged" on? Is that what those clips are called? Really? Or is that the Loooooweeeziana version of it? :)

I actually misspelled the word - that's the Looooziana version.

Swaging is a method of installing end fittings on wire rope or cable. Its basically a process in which the fitting is compressed onto the wire with enough force to fuse the two metals. The later versions of OMC type throttle and shift control cable have swaged fittings rather than the set screw type.

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Re: 1959 35 'rude

thanks guys.. i've got a line on a whole new control box and cables from a mid 50's envinrude.. i dont have pics yet.. but would all those mid 50's have the same connectors?
 

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If your current control box is working correctly, you don't need to buy another. If you can take photos of what you have now and post them here, we can tell you which type of cables to buy. Be sure to take a photo of the control box and one of the ends of the cables that you have now.
 

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As already said, all 1959 controls had setscrew ends on the cables. Unless the control was made by somebody other than OMC/Johnson/Evinrude/Gale. If it's a single lever, it's probably a Morse. Then there's Teleflex too.
 

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I think we are getting confused here as to whether the cable ends relate to the engine, or the control box being used.

If the control box he has, is the original or an OMC unit of the same era, yes it will have end fittings that are secured with set screws. If it is a newer version (1979 or later) of the OMC Shipmaster or Simplex controls, it will have swaged end fittings. Either system will work on a 1959 OMC engine. What won't work is trying to use the wrong cables with the control box involved, because the internal parts of the box are different.

If the control box is a Morse, or some other brand, the OP will have to do the appropriate research to get cables that will fit that system.
 

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Re: 1959 35 'rude

this is vintage for the motor,
shipmastercontrol.jpg



this one will work. same cables

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TD, the simplex box in your second photo was made both for the set screw type cables and for the swaged cables. If it was made up to and including 1978, yes it does take the same cables as the older box, as depicted in your first photo. If the unit is a 1979 or newer, however, the older cables will not work.

The primary difference between the two control boxes is in the Casing Guides for both the throttle and shift cables. In the older units, they contain the set screws that secure the end of the wire in the cable, while in the later model, there is merely a hole, through which a screw/nut is used to secure the swaged end of the cable. There is also a plastic block that fits into the shaft of the handles (Casing Guide Insert), that is a different size. Finally, the throttle and shift levers have a square hole in them where the Casing Guide Inserts fit - those holes are a different size as well, so that they can accomodate the Casing Guide Inserts.

Any of the three systems (2 set screw end boxes, 1 swaged end box) will work on the '59 35hp motor. This is true because, regardless of how the fittings on the motor end of the cables are secured to those cables, they fit on the motor the same way.


PS: For the benefit of the OP, who may not know this, both of the control boxes shown in TD's photos were made in Johnson and Evinrude versions. They are identical except for badging - the Johnson versions were called "Shipmaster" controls, while the Evinrudes were called "Simplex" controls.
 

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Re: 1959 35 'rude

i agree, but they work, i even rigged the old white one to work and an 88 50 rude, for vintage look, just use a push button to activate neutral safety.
 

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OK, now we are getting somewhere. What you need to do at this point is to look at the present cables to see if they have set screws on the end fittings that attach to the motor. If they do, you have the older style control box, and it uses OMC Type 400 control cables. If there are no set screws, but you just see a couple of metalic nubs near the end of the cable fitting, you have the newer, Type 479 cables.

You can order new cables right here at iboats - see the links below. While each page specifies Evinrude and Johnson, it doesn't matter which you get, because they are the same.

http://www.iboats.com/Johnson_Control_Cables/dm/view_id.243425
http://www.iboats.com/Evinrude_Cont...6031154--**********.226292490--view_id.243426
 

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You have a pre-1979 Johnson Shipmaster control box, so you need the OMC Type 400 control cables. If you look at your second photo, you can see the set screws - loosen them on each cable end and you will be able to remove the end fittings from the cables. Make sure keep all of the parts, because the new cables will come without end fittings.

Next, open the Shipmaster control box and you will see set screws in the Casing Guide for each cable. Loosen those screws and remove the cables from the control box. You may or may not see some numbers printed on the side of the cable casings - if so, the cable length may be included in those numbers. If not, measure the length of your existing cable casings in inches, add 30", and then divide the sum by 12. If the result does not equal an even foot, round up to the next even foot.

Unless there is something physically wrong with the control box that you have, there is no reason to buy another. Simply buy new cables and install them. While you have the control box open, take the opportunity to thoroughly clean and lubricate it.
 

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Re: 1959 35 'rude

the other thing is a whole unit, cables,ends, and box.. for FREE.. plus shipping.. if the cables are within reason for the length then i'll just get it.. if not i'll have to buy cables..
 
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