Exceeding Towing Capacity

jkru

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I wanted to ask before I try to tow my boat. I have a 2006 Chevy Trailblazer SS which is rated to tow around 6400lbs to 6700lbs or so. The truck has plenty of power at 400HP and a Heavyduty transmission but its the weight Im worried about. I have a 1996 Bayliner 2855 the dry weight on the boat is around 6500LBS. I have calculated with trailer and gear and fuel and everything that the boat will weigh approx at a maximum 9200LBS. I need to tow the boat around 3 miles of fairley level grade at under 35mph with a triple axle painted trailer with brakes that are set to brake much harder. My question is do you think this is a bad idea, or will this work ok. The idea is not to tow it for more than 3-6 miles and under 35mph. Has anyone done this before and if so what was there experience?

Thanks for your help!
JKru
 

a70eliminator

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

I'll probably get spanked for this but... I think max tow rates are there for dummys without common sence, I saw a guy try to tow a car that was backed up on a trailer, it was so funny two guys standing on the tongue to get it hitched up to the ball, the car and trailer was back in about 45 mins and the driver was stressed out said they only got about 10 miles that the trailer was all over the place and uncontollable, this was with a full size ford van too. So anyhow I think you'll be fine as long as you know what your doing, I towed my 16' MFG with a toyota celica.
 

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Consider yourself spanked, eliminator. Ratings are for safety. Please don't tow anything in my neighborhood.

Truck rated for 6500# and you want to tow about 9200# with it??

That is 141% of what your truck is rated for and can safely control.

Very bad idea. Only a professional should consider towing even close to the rated load. We amatuers shouldn't try more than 70% of rated load.
 

JCF350

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

Lots of things people don't think about while towing.

I'll add one here.

The force of that 9200lb trailer (especially a triple axle) going in a straight line while you are trying to turn it with a little vehicle? Which way is that trailer ball going try to go?:eek:
 

jkru

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

I really appreciate all the replies. Even with the trailer-brakes set to a much higher setting you think this would be a bad idea? I dont have many corners I need to take and as I said its only 3 miles or so. My concern was taking those two or three turns that I needed to and I thought that setting up my trailer brakes to brake harder would solve that.

Thanks Everyone for your replies,

Understand the 9200lbs was with full tank of gas, all the gear and water tanks full. I have about 109 gallon gass tank and 33 gallon water tank. I could empty most of that and drop around 900lbs or so bringing the weight to 8300lbs. Do you think that would work ?

Thanks
JKRu
 

25thmustang

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

What most don't understand is it trailer towing is a lot and I mean a LOT less to do with hp as it does with everything else. Sure a 400 hp Trailblazer will tow 10,000 lbs, it would probably hook up and yank 20,000 lbs if you wanted it to. Towing gets tricky when you realize the weight of the truck, size of the truck, brakes etc all play larger factors than hp. We moved my 10K lb boat and trailer set up around the yard with my dads 95 F-150 2wd short bed reg cab pickup this weekend, with no trailer brakes on gravel. Truck hooked it up, yanked it up and down the hill and moved it fine... I would NEVER take that out onto public roads though, get that truck moving 30-40 mph with 10K behind it and your asking for trouble.

I would say look elsewhere for a truck. Yours will move it and if its around a yard or at the ramp then sure it will do it, but would be kind of dangerous out on the highways and roads.

I would also be worried backing that set up down the ramp. Thats not a heavy truck, trying to ease a heavy boat down a wet ramp. Eeek.
 

jkru

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

Well I guess that solves it. Kind of dissapointed but probably would be a lot more dissapointed with the boat sitting in the middle of the road on top of my truck ;). Also I found out that I can tow 6800lbs but im still a couple thousand off. Ohh well .. I ll have to take one of those extended test drives at the dealer ;)
 

Lakester

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

I need to tow the boat around 3 miles of fairley level grade at under 35mph with a triple axle painted trailer with brakes that are set to brake much harder. My question is do you think this is a bad idea, or will this work ok. The idea is not to tow it for more than 3-6 miles and under 35mph. Has anyone done this before and if so what was there experience?

hello,

do u have a pix of the rig set up? 3 axle trailer sounds B-I-G. but aside from the comment on stopping and all that mass behind u wanting to go straight...

based upon my exp with towing, tow packages, torque, etc... 3-6 miles on flat ground, under 35 mph and u should have no problems. towing or handling. just stay out of OD and keep rpms under 3500. watch temp guage and if u wish consider a tow-package add-on.

if u try it and it is squirrely :eek: in the least bit... then dont do it.

regards,
lakester :cool:
 

fishrdan

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

I wonder how much tongue weight the trailer has and what the tongue limit is on the Trailblazer, far off I would assume.
 

Lakester

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I wonder how much tongue weight the trailer has and what the tongue limit is on the Trailblazer, far off I would assume.

hello,

no doubt also a good point to consider.

regards
lakester :cool:
 

Fingernip

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

WD hitch and good brakes on the trailer maybe?
 

External Combustion

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I will say this again: anyone that exceeds the rated towing capacity of the tow vehicle or the trailer is like the drunk that says "I can handle it" as he gets behind the wheel. Though everyone has the right to kill themselves they do not have the right to put others at risk.

Argue with the OM and get a higher rating if you believe you know their product better than they do.

If you think I am whining, get behind the wheel and bring the rig to a stop from twenty miles an hour inside of fourty feet.

Big rigs have enough axles on the ground for the loads hauled and have very experianced drivers, yet they still have to get permits for the overload. If you think you are that good, get a permit from your state agency for the tow and prove it.

There was an innocent person killed in my state last week by another "I can handle it" driver that lost control of his trailer. The trailer crossed the center line. Yeah, sure, he could handle it.
 

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I will say this again: anyone that exceeds the rated towing capacity of the tow vehicle or the trailer is like the drunk that says "I can handle it" as he gets behind the wheel. Though everyone has the right to kill themselves they do not have the right to put others at risk.

Argue with the OM and get a higher rating if you believe you know their product better than they do.

If you think I am whining, get behind the wheel and bring the rig to a stop from twenty miles an hour inside of fourty feet.

Big rigs have enough axles on the ground for the loads hauled and have very experianced drivers, yet they still have to get permits for the overload. If you think you are that good, get a permit from your state agency for the tow and prove it.

There was an innocent person killed in my state last week by another "I can handle it" driver that lost control of his trailer. The trailer crossed the center line. Yeah, sure, he could handle it.[/QUOTE



20 mph in 40 ft??? not sure what your getting at there

i realy think if he sticks to the parameters he stated he isnt going to ge it to much trouble.
i think his bigest problem will come when pulling up the ramp after he loads and stoping backing down the ramp unloading.
 

External Combustion

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

Stopping a trailer inside of a fourty foot distance is the requirement for trailer brakes in several states. The issue is control of the combination, not just being able to tow it. My '70 Toyota pickup hauled up to 8000 lbs of hay plus the weight of the farm wagon on the farm. It was definately NOT safe on any road where others drove.

No one has a crystal ball that can tell them when a kid will run out in front of their car, when the road will have a pothole or a piece of debris that will cause a rig to swerve, or a sidewind that will start a sway.

Load ratings are not describing what is just short of breaking the vehicle, they describe what is reasonable and prudent for the conditions that might arise while driving.

Drunks do get away with driving without harming themselves or others most of the time, yet most eventually do have wrecks. We don't tolerate them on the roads as a society, why should we not treat overloads the same?
 

JCF350

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

I really appreciate all the replies. Even with the trailer-brakes set to a much higher setting you think this would be a bad idea? I dont have many corners I need to take and as I said its only 3 miles or so. My concern was taking those two or three turns that I needed to and I thought that setting up my trailer brakes to brake harder would solve that.

Thanks Everyone for your replies,

Understand the 9200lbs was with full tank of gas, all the gear and water tanks full. I have about 109 gallon gass tank and 33 gallon water tank. I could empty most of that and drop around 900lbs or so bringing the weight to 8300lbs. Do you think that would work ?

Thanks
JKRu

I think you ought to rationalize your thinking towards a tow vehicle. sooner or later your gonna need one anyway. The longer you tempt fate the surer she's gonna get you. Start safe stay safe. :D
 

reelfishin

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

I will say this again: anyone that exceeds the rated towing capacity of the tow vehicle or the trailer is like the drunk that says "I can handle it" as he gets behind the wheel. Though everyone has the right to kill themselves they do not have the right to put others at risk.

Argue with the OM and get a higher rating if you believe you know their product better than they do.

If you think I am whining, get behind the wheel and bring the rig to a stop from twenty miles an hour inside of fourty feet.

Big rigs have enough axles on the ground for the loads hauled and have very experianced drivers, yet they still have to get permits for the overload. If you think you are that good, get a permit from your state agency for the tow and prove it.

There was an innocent person killed in my state last week by another "I can handle it" driver that lost control of his trailer. The trailer crossed the center line. Yeah, sure, he could handle it.[/QUOTE



20 mph in 40 ft??? not sure what your getting at there

i realy think if he sticks to the parameters he stated he isnt going to ge it to much trouble.
i think his bigest problem will come when pulling up the ramp after he loads and stoping backing down the ramp unloading.

There's also a big difference in towing an overweight load between running at highway speeds and running a few miles at low speed to a ramp along back roads. I've driven and towed with a Trailblazer, and a much smaller boat, and I didn't like the way it pulled or handled a small single axle trailer which my car handled just fine at the time. But if your towing only consists of a short distance run to the water, at lower speeds, you should be fine, the only way to know is to try it. I'd venture to guess though that 35 mph will seem pretty fast with that load behind that truck. More like maybe a 15 mph run to stay safe. Three axles are hard to turn at slow speeds with even a small load, that weight plus some speed will be a handful on pavement to steer.

I have a 4 cyl stick shift Ranger and normally tow a 3000lb boat, but on occasion have towed much more. My I/O powered trihull which is a bit rear heavy, tows far worse than my twin axle trailer with a 4000lb boat on it. It's all in the set up and how well you know your vehicles limits. If I took any of my trailers out on the road and pushed the truck at all, I'd probably end up with a huge repair bill, starting with a rear or clutch, but with some common sense it can move what needs to be moved without me having to spend an extra $40K on a 3/4 ton truck which I would only use maybe 10 times a year. The Ranger runs cheap, gets the job done and it doesn't cost me an arm and a leg to keep.
I don't know how some people justify having a full size, 3/4 ton or larger truck which is used only a handful of times every summer to tow a boat. If I am towing a boat which I don't feel my truck can safely launch, I use a local marina which will launch it for me for a $20 bill. That $20 is far cheaper than the cost of a second truck.

Will you be launching that boat with the Trailblazer? How will it behave on a ramp with that heavy of a boat? If the boat outweighs the truck, on a slick, steep ramp with some heavy current, it might get a bit touchy.
 

Lakester

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

i realy think if he sticks to the parameters he stated he isnt going to ge it to much trouble.
i think his bigest problem will come when pulling up the ramp after he loads and stoping backing down the ramp unloading.

hello,

i think ur comment is very valid. it is the loading etc i was worried about for him...

regards
lakester :cool:
 

jkru

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

Hey everyone,

So the good news is the boat ramp is not very steep and the launch is onto lake washington, not much current and no tide at all. I think I will try to pull the boat out this weekend late at night or very early in the morning when there is no traffic and see how it behaves. The trailer for the boat belongs to a friend, he will sell it to me, the boat is currently moored. I can drive around 15 mph - 25 mph, the roads I have to travel are not usually that busy. I just want to haul the boat home once or twice a year to wax and do maintanance and I dont want to buy a vehical for that. Ill try to snap some photos and let you know how it goes. I talked to a GM guy off the record and he told me that the vehical rating towing capacities are buffered he said also the Trailblazer SS is a lot heavier and that the rated towing capacity is for the standard V8. I towed a Searay 24' cruiser, tandom axle with it and it was like the boat wasnt there, stopping no problem etc.
 

ro_nicu

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

Stopping a trailer inside of a fourty foot distance is the requirement for trailer brakes in several states. T

40 feet from 20mph??????? maybe, faster, hmmmmmmmmmmm, noooooooo
those big rigs rolling down the pike will not stop in 40feet even if you block the wheels, attach a parachute to them and hook them to a decent size plow type anchor all at the same time. In fact I think a F1 car will not stop in 40feet from anywhere above 40mph.

Bottom line - be safe.
If you HAVE to do it adjust the tong weight in such a way so it's 95% of what the truck can take, this will give you some control and braking power; don't go as "regular people go", take it slow, if you have to put the blinkers on - most of the local police officers will ignore you, those that don't will be more then happy to escort you (at least in my neighborhood).
If this is a weekly trip you are planning on I would not commit to that - the overload sounds like WAY excessive.
P.S. passenger Mazda vehicles have a special chapter in the owner manual saying "mazda does not recommend any towing", how many Mazdas towing something do you see around. Those recommendations and ratings are written by lawyers that have to account for "worst that can happen", including a "Dunkin Donuts" type jury.
 

marine4003

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Re: Exceeding Towing Capacity

It seems no matter what advice you get,your bound to try it...there are alot more factors involved than you think, Like,what class hitch is on the truck ? i know it wont be a class 4. what if the trailer brakes fail,how do you plan to back her down the ramp, personally i think its a dangerous/stupid thing to attempt,rent a truck thats built to handle 10K,don't risk it.
 
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