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    Hi, I'm considering buying a first sailboat, I've been around power boats for years but have almost no sailing experience. I have found a Catalina 22 swing keel in decent condition on a solid but rusty trailer (all surface rust) does have a soft spot on deck. Does come with 7.5 hp outboard and recovered cushions.
    And I have found a American Mariner 23' fixed keel, with a nice galvanized dual axle trailer in better condition. A couple hundred more with no motor. I have a super clean older Mercury 4.5 long shaft. Is this big enough?
    My main concern is cost of replacing sails, both boats have good sails but it seems to me the Catalina would be easier to find sails both new and used.
    Any thoughts? I know the soft deck is rotted and will be an involved repair. Should be able to do from inside to preserve outside appearance...

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    The 4.5 would be fine.
    1988 Cruisers Rogue 2420 -VP 290 DP now powered by custom 468 - http://forums.iboats.com/forum/owner...988-rogue-2420

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    • #3
      Thank you Scott, any thoughts on which boat I should pick?

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      • #4
        Last edited by dieselram94; August 15th, 2016, 08:40 PM.

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          • #6
            Better condition, hands down.

            I'm a Catalina fan, but go for the one in better condition. Check all of the rigging out ... even better if you can sail it once. Look through the checklist HERE, too.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dieselram94 View Post
              Thank you Scott, any thoughts on which boat I should pick?
              your money, you pick.

              I would go for the one in the best shape, condition wins hands down. Im not a blow boater, however I work with a bunch and give most of them a hand once in a while in exchange for beer. one of the guys I work with races his boat on weekends. he uses a 2.5hp kicker for his motivation on his 22' he gets the same speed as his old 6hp (and its a bunch lighter)

              a few friends have larger live-aboards, most work on the boats constantly (sanding teak, repairing rot, fixing rigging, etc)

              the catalina would be a good boat, however needs a bit of work if you found rot.
              Last edited by Scott Danforth; August 16th, 2016, 06:37 AM.
              1988 Cruisers Rogue 2420 -VP 290 DP now powered by custom 468 - http://forums.iboats.com/forum/owner...988-rogue-2420

              Past Boats
              1970 Wooster Hellion - Merc 9.8
              2002 SeaRay 190BR - 5.0 - A1G2 - "Cheasheads in Paradise"
              1984 Avanti 170DLI -3.0 stringer- "Ship Happens"

              What’s behind you doesn’t matter.Enzo Ferrari

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              • #8
                the catalina is a very popular boat, however with a soft spot on deck and a sketchy trailer it is not very appealing. are you planning to trailer sail it or put in a slip? if trailer sailing than the condition of the trailer matters a lot.

                The american Mariner is not as well known but sounds like it is in better condition. Trailer sounds much better as well. as far as buying sails etc. you are just starting out in sailing, as long as the sails are not torn to bits it will be a while before you need nice new tight sails. when the time comes you can have sails made for any boat by sail makers.

                the 4.5 should be plenty to push a 23 footer. I push my 19 with a trolling motor. you don't have to go fast with them. hull speed is generally 6 knots approx.

                you didn't mention price of either boat. we have a catalina 22 here up for grabs in similar condition, they are all but giving it away. 22 is a weird size for many folks, it is a large trailer sailor but a small slip boat. therefore they can be hard to get rid of.

                can always negotiate the price of the Mariner down to equal what the Catalina is

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the advice everyone, the Catalina is $1500 and the American is $1700 with no motor or $3000 with a brand new Tohatsu 6hp. I plan to buy a mooring in a nearby harbor and just use trailer twice a season. I think I'm heavily leaning towards the American because of condition. I think I can also negotiate the price down some. I also don't believe the Catalina comes with a storm jib.
                  I appreciate the checklist to look for on used boats. I have no sailing experience but am eager to learn and I think either boat will be excellent to learn on.

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                  • #10
                    As an aside ... I wouldn't be over concerned with storm sails. You can reef your set in for the bulk of the situations you would ever be in ... unless you're plannin' on crossing the Atlantic
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                    • #11
                      I will be sailing the coast of Maine, would the Catalina with the swing keel, or the American with the fixed shoal keel be more preferable? All other factors aside?

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                      • #12
                        I think I would lean toward the shoal keel. Likely, the CG will be better in that kind ballast. BUT ... hull style plays a lot into that, and I don't know the American hull. If you've got mostly good, deep water to sail in than I would lean toward the fixed shoal keel. It's just less hassle.

                        The only thing that may play against that, is that the swing keel may go deeper into the water and in theory that may help you point higher up into the wind. Again, hull plays a big key in that.

                        Overall - I think the difference will probably be negligible.
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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the info! I'm going to hopefully purchase the American tomorrow. I've already purchased a mooring in the local harbor, so I'm on my way! Lol

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                          • #14
                            None of this really happened without pictures ...

                            Good luck with it.
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                              Ok, here are a few pictures. I got home late last night with the American mariner. It towed great! It took us a long time to instep the mast and secure everything for travel. The boat ramp was one of the worst I've ever seen. If I had had a 2wd truck I would have been stuck big time!!!

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